Neither have I used the terms..war…violence..attack /…yet your admin still projects those sentiments onto my posts. I can reference them for you but lets concentrate on what matters shall we.

Either way I have for months used the terms
‘intervention’ and ‘deterence’ where the end result is the same..whether used by people such as myself or militaries of outside nations…

Innocent people are protected and the bad guys get stopped …

Lets be fair…the many times we have disagreed regarding the advocacy and use of what you term as ‘violence’ without any real proof that I am for violence is wasted time when a more amicable working situation could have been reached…

I am grateful that I can post my email here so there are no bad feelings we all want the same end.

In the end we are staring a potential Rwanda in the face…There are people who would provide money and resources for an ‘peaceful non violent intervention service’ (a term we have all suggested) From this issue is about saving lives and bringing positive change, I can only say the ball is in your court how much focus you choose to place …either concentrate on the important stuff or the unimportant petty school yard tit for tat.

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Very noble from Morgan but as stated I and others have advocated against the tide in here for months….that such deterrence was needed…when others said it wasnt necessary.

Those ‘peace keepers’ will have rules of engagement…and If the elections come and go and under their protection Zanu/ Military junta is replaced by MDC…what then as Zanu / junta stated its war should they lose.

Its about realism now folks..the more we delay seeing that tough calls are coming and its no easy ride..the worse it will get…:-(

The MDC voters are not likley to turn up…why should they and again how is zanu pf going to determine those who have stayed away from voting are actually their supporters or MDC’s. It is in the best interests to stay away.

Mugabe could get a huge fright if people stay away…he will get a guage on Friday of how popular or unpopular he is, even with a MDC stay away.

I say Mugabe allow the election to take place…if there is a signioficantly low turnout that is a clear indication of how unpopular you are.
There will still be those who will vote for MDC who do turn up to vote.

if MT were a true politician he would be carrying on, with total disregard for his people..letting them get slaughtered, for a slice of the power. But, and I am amazed, he has forfeited his ‘potential’ win on Friday for the sake of the people getting destroyed. Not that this has stopped the violence I would add.

On military intervention, he means peacekeepers (in fact he says peacekeepers!) which are soldiers (i.e. military)..they are in army uniform and carry guns…

He also said that there would have to be a new election and new election monitors. There would have to be thousands and a new electoral commission I think.

The full headline actually reads…”Send in the UN peacekeepers now: My people are at breaking point. World leaders’ bold rhetoric must be backed with military force”…

The bottomline is the ‘bold rhetoric’ spoken of..is.that the Zanu / military regime is illegitimate and must go in favour of a new political dispensation.

At present Zanu / MILITARY JUNTA are killing people based upon a paranoid justification that foreign powers seek to take over Zimbabwe …

To publicly mention ‘peace-keepers’ is fine many of us were calling for this ages ago as voices in the wilderness…

However to mention ‘military force’ in the same sentence and in the same article is a red rag to a bull. The OUTSIDE WORLD may see sense most wish the Junta gone…Will the killers on the ground make those same polite distinctions…between the MDC leader calling for ‘peace keepers / military intervention’ and the much spoken of foreign invasion??? The danger of the piece highlghted by the back peddling regarding the authenticity of the text.

Essentially, there are now only two ways out of this disgraceful impasse short of armed conflict between the two opposing sides. One is to wait for an outside force of protection to come into the country to ensure that a new and legitimate presidential run-off is conducted in every corner of the country in an orderly an peaceful way, and stays there to ensure a smooth transition, and in which the army and the police forces cooperate.

Or, acknowledge the fact that the political reality is such that the clique of top officials and uniformed junta which is propping up Mugabe as a figurehead, are the ones most afraid of losing their positions and freedom. Therefore, unpleasant as it may seem to a democratic movement, find a way to agree to cooperate with these people and persuade them that their positions will be safe if they can agree to an orderly handover of power to Tsvangirai. The advantage of this strategy is that, considering the hold his close colleagues now have over him, they only need to coerce him, rather than having to persuade or plead with him to go.

I now favour the second option because, as anon rightly points out ‘there are no good guys or bad guys in politics…’ and, considering that the aforementioned clique have no real idea of how to manage the country, they would be more than happy just to feel safe, with careers and pensions intact etc., and to let better professionals get the country moving again. That is my sincere belief, and I am sure the world would seet it that way too. If you remember, this very same strategy was used on Milosovich when he lost his election but refused to go, and it worked.

or if someone can get hold of ‘the ink’… share it round, then we can all say we’ve voted already.

city people go to rural area for the day and rural people hide in the bush or go to city areas – all displaced so unable to vote

All roads to political power are the same…history does not lie.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/25/zimbabwe.civilliberties

In openly calling for military intervention Tsvangirai has signed the death warrant of the MDC…by opening the door for a Security crack down unseen to date in Zimbabwe…

It would have been.better that the censorship rule was lifted on certain discussions in here….Better ways than this open megaphone grandstanding were available…but when it was time to listen …certain people shut off their commonsense and only wanted to hear their own rhetoric.

There are no real good guys or bad guys in politics… just those who have power and those that want power..As I and a few others have been saying for months. the ordinary people need protection… from the politicians.

It was better to get to the heart of the matter for the sake of saving lives rather than carry out the time wasting pretence of living the utopian dream that the MDC leader himself has no real belief in.

Peaceful non violence against that clutch of psychopaths ??? It was always a ploy using the beaten bodies of Zimbabweans for little more than a sympathy vote…In the end MORGAN the perfect leader of many has come full circle in political terms…As much as you may disagree this issue was never going to have a happy ending…the only real work in a political power struggle is to lessen the damage to come.

As they say when elephants fight its always the grass that suffers.

Surely mugabe is going to make sure he gets more votes than tsvangirai the first time round…he will do what is necessary..it will be rigged…what is the point of going to the polling station and voting. The MDC have pulled out. Kubatana’s report is what was/is going to happen anyway…that is why the MDC pulled out…so personally if i stay an area of low/no intimidation I would stay at home..if youth milita come knocking on my door and forcing me to vote I would obey them and vote zpf to be honest..but overall Mugabe needs legitimcay..so if you can avoid being intimidated and worse then don’t vote.

Mugabe will not let the real results out anyway..even if MT were to amazingly get more than 50%…mugabe won’t let this happen. This is not March 29th conditions…”this is war” as he said recently.

How can a vote count when it is forced?
I’m surprised at MDC calling for this. I thought they withdrew from the election to save lives.

Zimbabwean Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai has called for world leaders to back their tough rhetoric with military force in his country in a comment piece published today.

Mr Tsvangirai wrote in The Guardian newspaper that the United Nations had to go further than verbal condemnation of Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe and move on to “active isolation” which required “a force to protect the people”. “We do not want armed conflict, but the people of Zimbabwe need the words of indignation from global leaders to be backed by the moral rectitude of military force,” he wrote.

MORGAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT AND NOW HE SEEKS A MILITARY INTERVENTION …OH HOW STUPID DO YOU FEEL NOW…

Chris refusing to vote is a refusal to participate in an farcical poll. Low turnout and limited numbers of people queuing to vote will show how unwanted he is with all the violence. But it is dangerous and we are telling people o be careful.