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		<title>By: True Grit</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Grit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see nothing wrong in theory with &quot;serious dialogue&quot;, as Mugabe calls it between the parties, as long as those talks are held in a genuine atmosphere of national interest. 

However, the amazing thing is that Mugabe thought that he could come to those negotiations from a position of strength, when in fact, by using the innocent and agrieved section of the population as a battering ram, he has, and will now forever more, be viewed as a moral weakling in the eyes of the MDC, in the eyes of any African statemen who may help and participate in the talks, and in the eyes of the world in general. 

Therefore, whatever the details of such negotiations, only the moral hero, not the moral coward, could be an acceptable leader. Although, I suppose, in a sort of twisted way, if Morgan is given the premiership with a degree of acceptable power, it probably (and I say this with a very bitter taste in my mouth), it probably wouldn&#039;t be the end of the world if Mugabe were to retain his presidential status until he quietly expires to meet his maker.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;251956&#039;,&#039;True Grit&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;251956&#039;,&#039;True Grit&#039;,&#039;I see nothing wrong in theory with \&quot;serious dialogue\&quot;, as Mugabe calls it between the parties, as long as those talks are held in a genuine atmosphere of national interest. \r\n\r\nHowever, the amazing thing is that Mugabe thought that he could come to those negotiations from a position of strength, when in fact, by using the innocent and agrieved section of the population as a battering ram, he has, and will now forever more, be viewed as a moral weakling in the eyes of the MDC, in the eyes of any African statemen who may help and participate in the talks, and in the eyes of the world in general. \r\n\r\nTherefore, whatever the details of such negotiations, only the moral hero, not the moral coward, could be an acceptable leader. Although, I suppose, in a sort of twisted way, if Morgan is given the premiership with a degree of acceptable power, it probably (and I say this with a very bitter taste in my mouth), it probably wouldn\&#039;t be the end of the world if Mugabe were to retain his presidential status until he quietly expires to meet his maker.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see nothing wrong in theory with &#8220;serious dialogue&#8221;, as Mugabe calls it between the parties, as long as those talks are held in a genuine atmosphere of national interest. </p>
<p>However, the amazing thing is that Mugabe thought that he could come to those negotiations from a position of strength, when in fact, by using the innocent and agrieved section of the population as a battering ram, he has, and will now forever more, be viewed as a moral weakling in the eyes of the MDC, in the eyes of any African statemen who may help and participate in the talks, and in the eyes of the world in general. </p>
<p>Therefore, whatever the details of such negotiations, only the moral hero, not the moral coward, could be an acceptable leader. Although, I suppose, in a sort of twisted way, if Morgan is given the premiership with a degree of acceptable power, it probably (and I say this with a very bitter taste in my mouth), it probably wouldn&#8217;t be the end of the world if Mugabe were to retain his presidential status until he quietly expires to meet his maker.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('251956','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('251956','True Grit','I see nothing wrong in theory with \&quot;serious dialogue\&quot;, as Mugabe calls it between the parties, as long as those talks are held in a genuine atmosphere of national interest. \r\n\r\nHowever, the amazing thing is that Mugabe thought that he could come to those negotiations from a position of strength, when in fact, by using the innocent and agrieved section of the population as a battering ram, he has, and will now forever more, be viewed as a moral weakling in the eyes of the MDC, in the eyes of any African statemen who may help and participate in the talks, and in the eyes of the world in general. \r\n\r\nTherefore, whatever the details of such negotiations, only the moral hero, not the moral coward, could be an acceptable leader. Although, I suppose, in a sort of twisted way, if Morgan is given the premiership with a degree of acceptable power, it probably (and I say this with a very bitter taste in my mouth), it probably wouldn\'t be the end of the world if Mugabe were to retain his presidential status until he quietly expires to meet his maker.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn - I should be a fortune teller!  Check the following link out, and see if I didn&#039;t predict exactly this a day or two ago on this very blog.

http://www.sabcnews.com/africa/southern_africa/0,2172,172413,00.html

Anyway, this is a hollow victory, because I know full well I cannot really see into the future.  But without doubt I could predict horribly accurately how the AU &#039;leaders&#039; would respond to something like Mugabe&#039;s stolen election.

Why?  How?  Because their behaviour reinforces my sentiment over and over.  They are childish, immature, gutless, dishonest underhand people who lick each other&#039;s backsides.  Try as I might, I cannot find it in my soul to respect them.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;251919&#039;,&#039;Ants&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;251919&#039;,&#039;Ants&#039;,&#039;Damn - I should be a fortune teller!  Check the following link out, and see if I didn\&#039;t predict exactly this a day or two ago on this very blog.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.sabcnews.com\/africa\/southern_africa\/0,2172,172413,00.html\r\n\r\nAnyway, this is a hollow victory, because I know full well I cannot really see into the future.  But without doubt I could predict horribly accurately how the AU \&#039;leaders\&#039; would respond to something like Mugabe\&#039;s stolen election.\r\n\r\nWhy?  How?  Because their behaviour reinforces my sentiment over and over.  They are childish, immature, gutless, dishonest underhand people who lick each other\&#039;s backsides.  Try as I might, I cannot find it in my soul to respect them.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn &#8211; I should be a fortune teller!  Check the following link out, and see if I didn&#8217;t predict exactly this a day or two ago on this very blog.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sabcnews.com/africa/southern_africa/0,2172,172413,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sabcnews.com/africa/southern_africa/0,2172,172413,00.html</a></p>
<p>Anyway, this is a hollow victory, because I know full well I cannot really see into the future.  But without doubt I could predict horribly accurately how the AU &#8216;leaders&#8217; would respond to something like Mugabe&#8217;s stolen election.</p>
<p>Why?  How?  Because their behaviour reinforces my sentiment over and over.  They are childish, immature, gutless, dishonest underhand people who lick each other&#8217;s backsides.  Try as I might, I cannot find it in my soul to respect them.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('251919','Ants'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('251919','Ants','Damn - I should be a fortune teller!  Check the following link out, and see if I didn\'t predict exactly this a day or two ago on this very blog.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.sabcnews.com\/africa\/southern_africa\/0,2172,172413,00.html\r\n\r\nAnyway, this is a hollow victory, because I know full well I cannot really see into the future.  But without doubt I could predict horribly accurately how the AU \'leaders\' would respond to something like Mugabe\'s stolen election.\r\n\r\nWhy?  How?  Because their behaviour reinforces my sentiment over and over.  They are childish, immature, gutless, dishonest underhand people who lick each other\'s backsides.  Try as I might, I cannot find it in my soul to respect them.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Faraway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faraway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Encouraging to see UN Deputy Secretary General Asha-Rose Migiro speak to her mind about the elections at the summit. Let&#039;s hope the AU will not cave in to this insignificant tyrant.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;251703&#039;,&#039;Faraway&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;251703&#039;,&#039;Faraway&#039;,&#039;Encouraging to see UN Deputy Secretary General Asha-Rose Migiro speak to her mind about the elections at the summit. Let\&#039;s hope the AU will not cave in to this insignificant tyrant.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encouraging to see UN Deputy Secretary General Asha-Rose Migiro speak to her mind about the elections at the summit. Let&#8217;s hope the AU will not cave in to this insignificant tyrant.
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		<title>By: Ants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I discuss with anyone I can what the pros &amp; cons are, with respect to Zimbabwe, of outside intervention.

Who has the moral high-ground?  Who should or should not be involved?  Who has the rights to get stuck in there?

And I&#039;ve formed the following opinion:-

Any country being asked to, or feeling as though they should be a donor for humanitarian reasons, in my mind has ABSOLUTE right to insist upon the methods of governance they require before providing aid to said country.

There-in lies the trick to peacekeeping forces, and who can legitimately send them.

For instance South Africa does not provide any free aid as far as I&#039;m aware - so Mbeki&#039;s sentiment counts for nothing.  Nobody needs to seek his permission, or for that matter any other outspoken African nation.

Let them put their money where their mouths are.  Meanwhile those nations capable of, and in fact already supplying aid - you are the countries who can ensure aid gets to the people who need it the most, and that Bob gets out the way, so that Zimbabwe can be re-started.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;251693&#039;,&#039;Ants&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;251693&#039;,&#039;Ants&#039;,&#039;I discuss with anyone I can what the pros &amp; cons are, with respect to Zimbabwe, of outside intervention.\r\n\r\nWho has the moral high-ground?  Who should or should not be involved?  Who has the rights to get stuck in there?\r\n\r\nAnd I\&#039;ve formed the following opinion:-\r\n\r\nAny country being asked to, or feeling as though they should be a donor for humanitarian reasons, in my mind has ABSOLUTE right to insist upon the methods of governance they require before providing aid to said country.\r\n\r\nThere-in lies the trick to peacekeeping forces, and who can legitimately send them.\r\n\r\nFor instance South Africa does not provide any free aid as far as I\&#039;m aware - so Mbeki\&#039;s sentiment counts for nothing.  Nobody needs to seek his permission, or for that matter any other outspoken African nation.\r\n\r\nLet them put their money where their mouths are.  Meanwhile those nations capable of, and in fact already supplying aid - you are the countries who can ensure aid gets to the people who need it the most, and that Bob gets out the way, so that Zimbabwe can be re-started.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discuss with anyone I can what the pros &amp; cons are, with respect to Zimbabwe, of outside intervention.</p>
<p>Who has the moral high-ground?  Who should or should not be involved?  Who has the rights to get stuck in there?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve formed the following opinion:-</p>
<p>Any country being asked to, or feeling as though they should be a donor for humanitarian reasons, in my mind has ABSOLUTE right to insist upon the methods of governance they require before providing aid to said country.</p>
<p>There-in lies the trick to peacekeeping forces, and who can legitimately send them.</p>
<p>For instance South Africa does not provide any free aid as far as I&#8217;m aware &#8211; so Mbeki&#8217;s sentiment counts for nothing.  Nobody needs to seek his permission, or for that matter any other outspoken African nation.</p>
<p>Let them put their money where their mouths are.  Meanwhile those nations capable of, and in fact already supplying aid &#8211; you are the countries who can ensure aid gets to the people who need it the most, and that Bob gets out the way, so that Zimbabwe can be re-started.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('251693','Ants'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('251693','Ants','I discuss with anyone I can what the pros &amp;amp; cons are, with respect to Zimbabwe, of outside intervention.\r\n\r\nWho has the moral high-ground?  Who should or should not be involved?  Who has the rights to get stuck in there?\r\n\r\nAnd I\'ve formed the following opinion:-\r\n\r\nAny country being asked to, or feeling as though they should be a donor for humanitarian reasons, in my mind has ABSOLUTE right to insist upon the methods of governance they require before providing aid to said country.\r\n\r\nThere-in lies the trick to peacekeeping forces, and who can legitimately send them.\r\n\r\nFor instance South Africa does not provide any free aid as far as I\'m aware - so Mbeki\'s sentiment counts for nothing.  Nobody needs to seek his permission, or for that matter any other outspoken African nation.\r\n\r\nLet them put their money where their mouths are.  Meanwhile those nations capable of, and in fact already supplying aid - you are the countries who can ensure aid gets to the people who need it the most, and that Bob gets out the way, so that Zimbabwe can be re-started.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: BOOMERANG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BOOMERANG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOR THE FIRST TIME WATCHING MUGABE BEING SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT I HAD A GOOD LAUGH WHAT A JOKE HE IS AND HE DOESNT SEE IT. PERHAPS HE HAS SENILE DEMENTURE SETTING IN OR HIS CRONIES ARE NOT TELLING HIM THAT HIS PEOPLE DONT WANT HIM  WHAT A COMEDIAN AS TO THE SUMMIT I AM SURE THE LEADERS WILL GREAT HIM AND BE TWO FACED. HE SHOULD BE IGNORED.
THERE IS ONLY GOING TO BE ONE WAY THAT MUGABE WILL LEAVE BEING PRESIDENT OF ZIMBABWE? AND YOU CAN GUESS THIS ANSWER.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;251648&#039;,&#039;BOOMERANG&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;251648&#039;,&#039;BOOMERANG&#039;,&#039;FOR THE FIRST TIME WATCHING MUGABE BEING SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT I HAD A GOOD LAUGH WHAT A JOKE HE IS AND HE DOESNT SEE IT. PERHAPS HE HAS SENILE DEMENTURE SETTING IN OR HIS CRONIES ARE NOT TELLING HIM THAT HIS PEOPLE DONT WANT HIM  WHAT A COMEDIAN AS TO THE SUMMIT I AM SURE THE LEADERS WILL GREAT HIM AND BE TWO FACED. HE SHOULD BE IGNORED.\r\nTHERE IS ONLY GOING TO BE ONE WAY THAT MUGABE WILL LEAVE BEING PRESIDENT OF ZIMBABWE? AND YOU CAN GUESS THIS ANSWER.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOR THE FIRST TIME WATCHING MUGABE BEING SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT I HAD A GOOD LAUGH WHAT A JOKE HE IS AND HE DOESNT SEE IT. PERHAPS HE HAS SENILE DEMENTURE SETTING IN OR HIS CRONIES ARE NOT TELLING HIM THAT HIS PEOPLE DONT WANT HIM  WHAT A COMEDIAN AS TO THE SUMMIT I AM SURE THE LEADERS WILL GREAT HIM AND BE TWO FACED. HE SHOULD BE IGNORED.<br />
THERE IS ONLY GOING TO BE ONE WAY THAT MUGABE WILL LEAVE BEING PRESIDENT OF ZIMBABWE? AND YOU CAN GUESS THIS ANSWER.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('251648','BOOMERANG'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('251648','BOOMERANG','FOR THE FIRST TIME WATCHING MUGABE BEING SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT I HAD A GOOD LAUGH WHAT A JOKE HE IS AND HE DOESNT SEE IT. PERHAPS HE HAS SENILE DEMENTURE SETTING IN OR HIS CRONIES ARE NOT TELLING HIM THAT HIS PEOPLE DONT WANT HIM  WHAT A COMEDIAN AS TO THE SUMMIT I AM SURE THE LEADERS WILL GREAT HIM AND BE TWO FACED. HE SHOULD BE IGNORED.\r\nTHERE IS ONLY GOING TO BE ONE WAY THAT MUGABE WILL LEAVE BEING PRESIDENT OF ZIMBABWE? AND YOU CAN GUESS THIS ANSWER.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Secretary Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secretary Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN024545.html

Perhaps we should start lobbying the Pope to speak out against Mugabe; maybe even excommunicate him? That would really sting, as he claims to be a devout Catholic..&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;251630&#039;,&#039;Secretary Bird&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;251630&#039;,&#039;Secretary Bird&#039;,&#039;http:\/\/africa.reuters.com\/top\/news\/usnBAN024545.html\r\n\r\nPerhaps we should start lobbying the Pope to speak out against Mugabe; maybe even excommunicate him? That would really sting, as he claims to be a devout Catholic..&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Perhaps we should start lobbying the Pope to speak out against Mugabe; maybe even excommunicate him? That would really sting, as he claims to be a devout Catholic..
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