Comments on: Links ~ 12 July 2008 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1211 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:54:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Thutshu http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1211/comment-page-1#comment-262330 Thutshu Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:31:22 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1211#comment-262330 First of all Mugabe had his balls operated on in China. Secondly he has given them timber, ivory, mines, ranches and farms as well as derelict factories and steel mines the works. Roman Abramovich a russian has been to zim speculating on the possibilty of running the sole ernergy providing company. The Russians have built Mugabe and cronies palatial homes with bunkers at a cost of millions of dollars(not zimbabwean dollars) Lastly the whole of zimbzbwe is foreign owned. Libya has ranches for which they can produce their halaal meat while supplying the little oil that trickles into zim to cater for the leadership. We will see this genocide going on in order to protect a dicatatorial elite who are covering up a shambles that would make their ancestors turn in their grves. You and me WILL BE DISGUSTED AT THIS NEW STYLE OF LOOTING OF AFRICA. And some of us think this a victory of Africans over the racist west. Think again and marvel at this new form of a cold war and an avoidance of justice using spurious excuses to pardon dictators for genocide.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('262330','Thutshu'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('262330','Thutshu','First of all Mugabe had his balls operated on in China. Secondly he has given them timber, ivory, mines, ranches and farms as well as derelict factories and steel mines the works.\r\n\r\nRoman Abramovich a russian has been to zim speculating on the possibilty of running the sole ernergy providing company.\r\n\r\nThe Russians have built Mugabe and cronies palatial homes with bunkers at a cost of millions of dollars(not zimbabwean dollars) \r\n\r\nLastly the whole of zimbzbwe is foreign owned. Libya has ranches for which they can produce their halaal meat while supplying the little oil that trickles into zim to cater for the leadership.\r\n\r\nWe will see this genocide going on in order to protect a dicatatorial elite who are covering up a shambles that would make their ancestors turn in their grves. You and me WILL BE DISGUSTED AT THIS NEW STYLE OF LOOTING OF AFRICA.\r\n\r\nAnd some of us think this a victory of Africans over the racist west. Think again and marvel at this new form of a cold war and an avoidance of justice using spurious excuses to pardon dictators for genocide.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> First of all Mugabe had his balls operated on in China. Secondly he has given them timber, ivory, mines, ranches and farms as well as derelict factories and steel mines the works.

Roman Abramovich a russian has been to zim speculating on the possibilty of running the sole ernergy providing company.

The Russians have built Mugabe and cronies palatial homes with bunkers at a cost of millions of dollars(not zimbabwean dollars)

Lastly the whole of zimbzbwe is foreign owned. Libya has ranches for which they can produce their halaal meat while supplying the little oil that trickles into zim to cater for the leadership.

We will see this genocide going on in order to protect a dicatatorial elite who are covering up a shambles that would make their ancestors turn in their grves. You and me WILL BE DISGUSTED AT THIS NEW STYLE OF LOOTING OF AFRICA.

And some of us think this a victory of Africans over the racist west. Think again and marvel at this new form of a cold war and an avoidance of justice using spurious excuses to pardon dictators for genocide.

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]]> By: David Fischer http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1211/comment-page-1#comment-262138 David Fischer Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:48:44 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1211#comment-262138 In 1980 I was the acting American Ambassador in Tanzania and had been active in the Contact Group to help arrange the referendum to Zimbabwe independence. Julius Nyerere, the President of Tanzania, was convinced that Lord Soames would rig the election in favor of Bishop Muzarewa, so it was with some glee that I went to his house two hours before the election results were announced officially (that in the day when Zimbabwe elections could be compiled in 24 hours) to tell him the Mugabe had won the election. He initially couldn't or wouldn't believe it, but I convinced him that the results would be announced in an hour or so. "I am so happy," he said, "to see real liberation come to Rhodesia. But, I must tell you, I am also very fearful that this may be --- if what you tell me is true --- the last free election in Rhodesia." "Robert Mugabe has many strengths, but he is not and will never be a believer in democracy. Yes, he will talk a good game but you in the West never learned that Samora Machel was the best hope for southern Africa and that Robert Mugabe may be the worst." How prophetic.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('262138','David Fischer'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('262138','David Fischer','In 1980 I was the acting American Ambassador in Tanzania and had been active in the Contact Group to help arrange the referendum to Zimbabwe independence.\r\n\r\nJulius Nyerere, the President of Tanzania, was convinced that Lord Soames would rig the election in favor of Bishop Muzarewa, so it was with some glee that I went to his house two hours before the election results were announced officially (that in the day when Zimbabwe elections could be compiled in 24 hours) to tell him the Mugabe had won the election.\r\n\r\nHe initially couldn\'t or wouldn\'t believe it, but I convinced him that the results would be announced in an hour or so.\r\n\r\n\"I am so happy,\" he said, \"to see real liberation come to Rhodesia. But, I must tell you, I am also very fearful that this may be --- if what you tell me is true --- the last free election in Rhodesia.\"\r\n\r\n\"Robert Mugabe has many strengths, but he is not and will never be a believer in democracy. Yes, he will talk a good game but you in the West never learned that Samora Machel was the best hope for southern Africa and that Robert Mugabe may be the worst.\"\r\n\r\nHow prophetic.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> In 1980 I was the acting American Ambassador in Tanzania and had been active in the Contact Group to help arrange the referendum to Zimbabwe independence.

Julius Nyerere, the President of Tanzania, was convinced that Lord Soames would rig the election in favor of Bishop Muzarewa, so it was with some glee that I went to his house two hours before the election results were announced officially (that in the day when Zimbabwe elections could be compiled in 24 hours) to tell him the Mugabe had won the election.

He initially couldn’t or wouldn’t believe it, but I convinced him that the results would be announced in an hour or so.

“I am so happy,” he said, “to see real liberation come to Rhodesia. But, I must tell you, I am also very fearful that this may be — if what you tell me is true — the last free election in Rhodesia.”

“Robert Mugabe has many strengths, but he is not and will never be a believer in democracy. Yes, he will talk a good game but you in the West never learned that Samora Machel was the best hope for southern Africa and that Robert Mugabe may be the worst.”

How prophetic.

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]]> By: Hope O B http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1211/comment-page-1#comment-261622 Hope O B Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:17:55 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1211#comment-261622 I wonder what Mugabe gave in Mining rights and infrastructure contracts to buy those votes at the UN ?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('261622','Hope O B'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('261622','Hope O B','I wonder what Mugabe gave in Mining rights and infrastructure contracts to buy those votes at the UN ?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I wonder what Mugabe gave in Mining rights and infrastructure contracts to buy those votes at the UN ?
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]]> By: Faraway http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1211/comment-page-1#comment-261321 Faraway Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:22:43 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1211#comment-261321 Don't you just hate all these political games countries play. Meanwhile innocent people are dying. I have no doubt that Russia's veto was made to make some sort of statement to the West, but it had nothing to do with Zimbabwe. http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/07/12/russia-are-no-friends-of-zimbabwe-or-africa/<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('261321','Faraway'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('261321','Faraway','Don\'t you just hate all these political games countries play. Meanwhile innocent people are dying.\r\nI have no doubt that Russia\'s veto was made to make some sort of statement to the West, but it had nothing to do with Zimbabwe.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.thoughtleader.co.za\/traps\/2008\/07\/12\/russia-are-no-friends-of-zimbabwe-or-africa\/'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Don’t you just hate all these political games countries play. Meanwhile innocent people are dying.
I have no doubt that Russia’s veto was made to make some sort of statement to the West, but it had nothing to do with Zimbabwe.

http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/07/12/russia-are-no-friends-of-zimbabwe-or-africa/

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]]> By: S. Rose http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1211/comment-page-1#comment-261241 S. Rose Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:57:22 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1211#comment-261241 The United Nations Security Council are completely 'toothless' when it comes to dealing with any crisis in Africa or anywhere else in the world. They have done nothing to alleviate the situation in Darfur, they did nothing to prevent the genocide in Rwanda and they have allowed Mugabe's murderous regime to literally get away with torture, murder and other dreadful crimes. They have no power at all to deal with the problems of the world. Also countries like Russia and China with their bad record of human rights should not be allowed to have a veto at the Council when important humanitarian decisions are made. It looks as though they will just be sitting by while another tragedy occurs in Zimbabwe as Mugabe now thinks that he can do anything he likes, which he probably can.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('261241','S. Rose'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('261241','S. Rose','The United Nations Security Council are completely \'toothless\' when it comes to dealing with any crisis in Africa or anywhere else in the world. They have done nothing to alleviate the situation in Darfur, they did nothing to prevent the genocide in Rwanda and they have allowed Mugabe\'s murderous regime to literally get away with torture, murder and other dreadful crimes. They have no power at all to deal with the problems of the world. Also countries like Russia and China with their bad record of human rights should not be allowed to have a veto at the Council when important humanitarian decisions are made. It looks as though they will just be sitting by while another tragedy occurs in Zimbabwe as Mugabe now thinks that he can do anything he likes, which he probably can.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> The United Nations Security Council are completely ‘toothless’ when it comes to dealing with any crisis in Africa or anywhere else in the world. They have done nothing to alleviate the situation in Darfur, they did nothing to prevent the genocide in Rwanda and they have allowed Mugabe’s murderous regime to literally get away with torture, murder and other dreadful crimes. They have no power at all to deal with the problems of the world. Also countries like Russia and China with their bad record of human rights should not be allowed to have a veto at the Council when important humanitarian decisions are made. It looks as though they will just be sitting by while another tragedy occurs in Zimbabwe as Mugabe now thinks that he can do anything he likes, which he probably can.
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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1211/comment-page-1#comment-260995 True Grit Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:26:48 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1211#comment-260995 It doesn't matter two hoots what Zimbabwe's information minister has to say about Mbeki, or what praise he heaps upon him, the fact of the matter is that Mugabe has already lost power - to a cabal of generals even more despicable and rapacious than he is. This 'gang of six' has already forced Mugabe to cede power to them after he lost the first round of elections in March. They have only let him stay on as a mere puppet. They all have too many comforts, like palaces with private helicopter pads, and too much blood on their hands, to ever relinquish power voluntarily. So even if Mugabe himself were to be removed, his secret rulers would still be in charge. Pity the country under these chilly circumstances.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('260995','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('260995','True Grit','It doesn\'t matter two hoots what Zimbabwe\'s information minister has to say about Mbeki, or what praise he heaps upon him, the fact of the matter is that Mugabe has already lost power - to a cabal of generals even more despicable and rapacious than he is. \r\n\r\nThis \'gang of six\' has already forced Mugabe to cede power to them after he lost the first round of elections in March. They have only let him stay on as a mere puppet. They all have too many comforts, like palaces with private helicopter pads, and too much blood on their hands, to ever relinquish power voluntarily. So even if Mugabe himself were to be removed, his secret rulers would still be in charge. Pity the country under these chilly circumstances.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> It doesn’t matter two hoots what Zimbabwe’s information minister has to say about Mbeki, or what praise he heaps upon him, the fact of the matter is that Mugabe has already lost power - to a cabal of generals even more despicable and rapacious than he is.

This ‘gang of six’ has already forced Mugabe to cede power to them after he lost the first round of elections in March. They have only let him stay on as a mere puppet. They all have too many comforts, like palaces with private helicopter pads, and too much blood on their hands, to ever relinquish power voluntarily. So even if Mugabe himself were to be removed, his secret rulers would still be in charge. Pity the country under these chilly circumstances.

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