Comments on: A small measure of weariness and a massive dose of wariness http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:43:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Political Britain » I Blame the Church http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-270087 Political Britain » I Blame the Church Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:46:11 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-270087 [...] This is Zimbabwe - reacts to the Memorandum of Understanding between Mugabe and Tsvangirai. [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('270087','Political Britain » I Blame the Church'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('270087','Political Britain » I Blame the Church','[...] This is Zimbabwe - reacts to the Memorandum of Understanding between Mugabe and Tsvangirai. [...]'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> [...] This is Zimbabwe – reacts to the Memorandum of Understanding between Mugabe and Tsvangirai. [...]
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]]> By: tc http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269965 tc Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:15:34 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269965 thanks Mama. Anyone got any figures? This law will need to be readdressed. It would help to have numbers.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269965','tc'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269965','tc','thanks Mama. Anyone got any figures? This law will need to be readdressed. It would help to have numbers.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> thanks Mama. Anyone got any figures? This law will need to be readdressed. It would help to have numbers.
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]]> By: mama http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269926 mama Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:01:57 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269926 I'd say just about everybody there TC but of course the suspicions will be there and the get out clause will always be held by us all...Why because most of us are from varying different cultures and the choice to be a Zimbabwean Citizen ONLY does not leave room for those of us who are a mixture of other nationalities...I am the product of many nationalities not only Zimbabwean....and if I have to choose only one I can not....does this make less a Zimbabwean?....<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269926','mama'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269926','mama','I\'d say just about everybody there TC but of course the suspicions will be there and the get out clause will always be held by us all...Why because most of us are from varying different cultures and the choice to be a Zimbabwean Citizen ONLY does not leave room for those of us who are a mixture of other nationalities...I am the product of many nationalities not only Zimbabwean....and if I have to choose only one I can not....does this make less a Zimbabwean?....'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I’d say just about everybody there TC but of course the suspicions will be there and the get out clause will always be held by us all…Why because most of us are from varying different cultures and the choice to be a Zimbabwean Citizen ONLY does not leave room for those of us who are a mixture of other nationalities…I am the product of many nationalities not only Zimbabwean….and if I have to choose only one I can not….does this make less a Zimbabwean?….
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]]> By: tc http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269922 tc Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:33:45 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269922 & give back our nationalities to those who lost them in 2000-2001 (anyone else affected?)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269922','tc'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269922','tc','& give back our nationalities to those who lost them in 2000-2001 (anyone else affected?)'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> & give back our nationalities to those who lost them in 2000-2001 (anyone else affected?)
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]]> By: Graham http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269908 Graham Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:34:42 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269908 Ordinary Zimbabweans may be too beaten, tired or pre-occupied with daily survival to think too much about politics, but 4 million of us who have been fortunate enough to escape the country are still very much concerned about where this is all going, and if we will ever be able to come home. My plea to the MDC is - when you negotiate details on a new election, please insist that Zimbabweans overseas be allowed to vote.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269908','Graham'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269908','Graham','Ordinary Zimbabweans may be too beaten, tired or pre-occupied with daily survival to think too much about politics, but 4 million of us who have been fortunate enough to escape the country are still very much concerned about where this is all going, and if we will ever be able to come home. \r\n\r\nMy plea to the MDC is - when you negotiate details on a new election, please insist that Zimbabweans overseas be allowed to vote.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Ordinary Zimbabweans may be too beaten, tired or pre-occupied with daily survival to think too much about politics, but 4 million of us who have been fortunate enough to escape the country are still very much concerned about where this is all going, and if we will ever be able to come home.

My plea to the MDC is – when you negotiate details on a new election, please insist that Zimbabweans overseas be allowed to vote.

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]]> By: kuchema http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269903 kuchema Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:25:10 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269903 tc: We do need a huge collective effort, and young people willing to return home (such as I) are to a certain extent aware of it. I'm afraid that we might do the same as happened in the 80s though... a massive "Phew, it's over! Let's have a party!", with the cheers masking dirty games behind the scenes. We are wiser and it certainly will not be in the same manner, but I feel that this generalised "I'm here to get my own" attitude could very well leave that process far short of the necessary high tide mark.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269903','kuchema'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269903','kuchema','tc: We do need a huge collective effort, and young people willing to return home (such as I) are to a certain extent aware of it. I\'m afraid that we might do the same as happened in the 80s though... a massive \"Phew, it\'s over! Let\'s have a party!\", with the cheers masking dirty games behind the scenes. \r\nWe are wiser and it certainly will not be in the same manner, but I feel that this generalised \"I\'m here to get my own\" attitude could very well leave that process far short of the necessary high tide mark.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> tc: We do need a huge collective effort, and young people willing to return home (such as I) are to a certain extent aware of it. I’m afraid that we might do the same as happened in the 80s though… a massive “Phew, it’s over! Let’s have a party!”, with the cheers masking dirty games behind the scenes.
We are wiser and it certainly will not be in the same manner, but I feel that this generalised “I’m here to get my own” attitude could very well leave that process far short of the necessary high tide mark.
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]]> By: Sani Moyo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269894 Sani Moyo Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:26:31 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269894 We can only cross our fingers and hope<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269894','Sani Moyo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269894','Sani Moyo','We can only cross our fingers and hope'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> We can only cross our fingers and hope
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]]> By: Race_9togo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269835 Race_9togo Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:43:16 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269835 I had to laugh at this. Not because I think that the current situation in Zimbabwe is in any way amusing - it is a nightmare - but rather because what Hope has written here fills me with that very emotion. I laugh with pleasure, and with joy, because Hope's words show beyond all else the most important aspect of this whole Zimbabwe mess: Zimbabweans will not only survive, they will overcome, they will flourish once again, and they will take Zimbabwe back to where it should, and deserves, to be, at the forefront of african prosperity. The journey will take time, it will be painful, slow, it might even be more violent than it is now, but in the end, given the resilience and strength and intelligence of Zimbabweans, they will triumph. have a good one.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269835','Race_9togo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269835','Race_9togo','I had to laugh at this. \r\nNot because I think that the current situation in Zimbabwe is in any way amusing - it is a nightmare - but rather because what Hope has written here fills me with that very emotion. I laugh with pleasure, and with joy, because Hope\'s words show beyond all else the most important aspect of this whole Zimbabwe mess: Zimbabweans will not only survive, they will overcome, they will flourish once again, and they will take Zimbabwe back to where it should, and deserves, to be, at the forefront of african prosperity. The journey will take time, it will be painful, slow, it might even be more violent than it is now, but in the end, given the resilience and strength and intelligence of Zimbabweans, they will triumph.\r\nhave a good one.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I had to laugh at this.
Not because I think that the current situation in Zimbabwe is in any way amusing – it is a nightmare – but rather because what Hope has written here fills me with that very emotion. I laugh with pleasure, and with joy, because Hope’s words show beyond all else the most important aspect of this whole Zimbabwe mess: Zimbabweans will not only survive, they will overcome, they will flourish once again, and they will take Zimbabwe back to where it should, and deserves, to be, at the forefront of african prosperity. The journey will take time, it will be painful, slow, it might even be more violent than it is now, but in the end, given the resilience and strength and intelligence of Zimbabweans, they will triumph.
have a good one.
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]]> By: Ozzie http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269821 Ozzie Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:41:26 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269821 Our news in Australia this morning is talking about the talks leading to "a government of national unity" for Zimbabwe. That phrase sticks in the gullet. Well said everyone above, and what a valid analysis Sokwanele, on this historic day. Thank you. This is the very best site on which not only to garner Zim news but to read brilliantly clear analyses, and very importantly to hear the hearts of ordinary Zimbabweans.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269821','Ozzie'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269821','Ozzie','Our news in Australia this morning is talking about the talks leading to \"a government of national unity\" for Zimbabwe. That phrase sticks in the gullet.\r\n\r\nWell said everyone above, and what a valid analysis Sokwanele, on this historic day. Thank you. This is the very best site on which not only to garner Zim news but to read brilliantly clear analyses, and very importantly to hear the hearts of ordinary Zimbabweans.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Our news in Australia this morning is talking about the talks leading to “a government of national unity” for Zimbabwe. That phrase sticks in the gullet.

Well said everyone above, and what a valid analysis Sokwanele, on this historic day. Thank you. This is the very best site on which not only to garner Zim news but to read brilliantly clear analyses, and very importantly to hear the hearts of ordinary Zimbabweans.

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]]> By: tc http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269808 tc Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:03:33 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269808 "I have this picture in my mind of an exhausted, ragged mixed-bag of Zimbabweans: some rich, most poor; some elderly, a few young; black and white people together; some healthy, others hurt and on crutches; all of us deeply wounded in some way by the events of the previous years. I hope this picture is in the minds of our leaders too and that it stays with them through all the negotiations." Remember the optimistic 80's? How much of what went on in the 70s has come back to revisit us, how much of the current dictatorship's power rests on the unhealed wounds from the past? I don't think we should make the same mistake twice, of not paying justice to history. That picture you are speaking of is something we must keep present, all of us. We will need a collective legal and confessional process, storytelling, intellectual effort, talking, confronting ghosts. What do others think?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269808','tc'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269808','tc','\"I have this picture in my mind of an exhausted, ragged mixed-bag of Zimbabweans: some rich, most poor; some elderly, a few young; black and white people together; some healthy, others hurt and on crutches; all of us deeply wounded in some way by the events of the previous years. I hope this picture is in the minds of our leaders too and that it stays with them through all the negotiations.\"\r\n\r\nRemember the optimistic 80\'s? How much of what went on in the 70s has come back to revisit us, how much of the current dictatorship\'s power rests on the unhealed wounds from the past? I don\'t think we should make the same mistake twice, of not paying justice to history. That picture you are speaking of is something we must keep present, all of us. We will need a collective legal and confessional process, storytelling, intellectual effort, talking, confronting ghosts. What do others think?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> “I have this picture in my mind of an exhausted, ragged mixed-bag of Zimbabweans: some rich, most poor; some elderly, a few young; black and white people together; some healthy, others hurt and on crutches; all of us deeply wounded in some way by the events of the previous years. I hope this picture is in the minds of our leaders too and that it stays with them through all the negotiations.”

Remember the optimistic 80’s? How much of what went on in the 70s has come back to revisit us, how much of the current dictatorship’s power rests on the unhealed wounds from the past? I don’t think we should make the same mistake twice, of not paying justice to history. That picture you are speaking of is something we must keep present, all of us. We will need a collective legal and confessional process, storytelling, intellectual effort, talking, confronting ghosts. What do others think?

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]]> By: Sandra http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1243/comment-page-1#comment-269804 Sandra Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:50:05 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1243#comment-269804 Absolutely. Nothing could be added in the moment. Except the negotiations should be open to more people from civil society that are engaged in Zimbabwean politics. Not to confuse as a third force but to observe and to give impulse or to represent all the silenced people who are not in the two parties.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('269804','Sandra'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('269804','Sandra','Absolutely. Nothing could be added in the moment. Except the negotiations should be open to more people from civil society that are engaged in Zimbabwean politics. Not to confuse as a third force but to observe and to give impulse or to represent all the silenced people who are not in the two parties.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Absolutely. Nothing could be added in the moment. Except the negotiations should be open to more people from civil society that are engaged in Zimbabwean politics. Not to confuse as a third force but to observe and to give impulse or to represent all the silenced people who are not in the two parties.
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