Comments on: Power-sharing deal reached http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:43:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: kambachikra http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271953 kambachikra Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:56:29 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271953 What gets to me is that everyone is now patting Mbeki on the back for all his "good work". How soon we forget that he stodd by while we were dying (even went so far as to publicly deny there was a problem).<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271953','kambachikra'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271953','kambachikra','What gets to me is that everyone is now patting Mbeki on the back for all his \"good work\". How soon we forget that he stodd by while we were dying (even went so far as to publicly deny there was a problem).'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> What gets to me is that everyone is now patting Mbeki on the back for all his “good work”. How soon we forget that he stodd by while we were dying (even went so far as to publicly deny there was a problem).
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]]> By: john http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271946 john Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:28:51 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271946 I heard that the Zim army blokes are being gifted 4 x 4's! This is just part of Mugabe keeping them on side if this is true. This 'Deal' with the MDC it seems, is the only way Mugabe could gain some legitimacy and save himself. Kofi Anan recognizes what happened in both elections was wrong and should not have been accepted. But he is powerless to do anything. And Mbeki is just finding a way to save face in SA by making out that he has achieved a breakthrough. After hearing a Mutambara interview even he has a very nasty attitude, and I hope those in his faction know just where they stand. Mugabe has smashed the country,killed and starved its people and honestly he is the last person who should have anything to do with Zimbabwe's future. He should not even be negotiated with. Accepting this new evil mix only reflects a desperate hope amongst a beaten populace who are basically at the end of the line. They can only pray.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271946','john'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271946','john','I heard that the Zim army blokes are being gifted 4 x 4\'s! This is just part of Mugabe keeping them on side if this is true.\r\nThis \'Deal\' with the MDC it seems, is the only way Mugabe could gain some legitimacy and save himself.\r\nKofi Anan recognizes what happened in both elections was wrong and should not have been accepted.\r\nBut he is powerless to do anything.\r\nAnd Mbeki is just finding a way to save face in SA by making out that he has achieved a breakthrough.\r\nAfter hearing a Mutambara interview even he has a very nasty attitude, and I hope those in his faction know just where they stand.\r\nMugabe has smashed the country,killed and starved its people and honestly he is the last person who should have anything to do with Zimbabwe\'s future.\r\nHe should not even be negotiated with.\r\nAccepting this new evil mix only reflects a desperate hope amongst a beaten populace who are basically at the end of the line. \r\nThey can only pray.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I heard that the Zim army blokes are being gifted 4 x 4’s! This is just part of Mugabe keeping them on side if this is true.
This ‘Deal’ with the MDC it seems, is the only way Mugabe could gain some legitimacy and save himself.
Kofi Anan recognizes what happened in both elections was wrong and should not have been accepted.
But he is powerless to do anything.
And Mbeki is just finding a way to save face in SA by making out that he has achieved a breakthrough.
After hearing a Mutambara interview even he has a very nasty attitude, and I hope those in his faction know just where they stand.
Mugabe has smashed the country,killed and starved its people and honestly he is the last person who should have anything to do with Zimbabwe’s future.
He should not even be negotiated with.
Accepting this new evil mix only reflects a desperate hope amongst a beaten populace who are basically at the end of the line.
They can only pray.
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]]> By: LuanshyaBlue http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271928 LuanshyaBlue Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:44:49 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271928 If Mugabe is in charge of any part of the state's oppressive organisations such as army, police, JOC etc I wouldn't give a single ngwee for the chances of success. In fact I'll be amazed if the agreement lasts until Monday let alone after Monday if Mugabe is given ANY powers at all. I stick to my belief that Mugabe and his murderous henchmen will have to be forced out.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271928','LuanshyaBlue'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271928','LuanshyaBlue','If Mugabe is in charge of any part of the state\'s oppressive organisations such as army, police, JOC etc I wouldn\'t give a single ngwee for the chances of success.\r\nIn fact I\'ll be amazed if the agreement lasts until Monday let alone after Monday if Mugabe is given ANY powers at all.\r\nI stick to my belief that Mugabe and his murderous henchmen will have to be forced out.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> If Mugabe is in charge of any part of the state’s oppressive organisations such as army, police, JOC etc I wouldn’t give a single ngwee for the chances of success.
In fact I’ll be amazed if the agreement lasts until Monday let alone after Monday if Mugabe is given ANY powers at all.
I stick to my belief that Mugabe and his murderous henchmen will have to be forced out.
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]]> By: tc http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271924 tc Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:59:28 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271924 Who will be in charge of the JOC?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271924','tc'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271924','tc','Who will be in charge of the JOC?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Who will be in charge of the JOC?
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]]> By: exbulawayo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271919 exbulawayo Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:34:46 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271919 Well if ever the eyes were on a country, the time is now. What is the hold up to let us know the outcome ? Will the old man still be in charge of his cronies and all his evil deeds swept under the carpet ? i am cautiously optimistic, but pray this will be the new beginning we are all hoping for.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271919','exbulawayo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271919','exbulawayo','Well if ever the eyes were on a country, the time is now. What is the hold up to let us know the outcome ? Will the old man still be in charge of his cronies and all his evil deeds swept under the carpet ? i am cautiously optimistic, but pray this will be the new beginning we are all hoping for.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Well if ever the eyes were on a country, the time is now. What is the hold up to let us know the outcome ? Will the old man still be in charge of his cronies and all his evil deeds swept under the carpet ? i am cautiously optimistic, but pray this will be the new beginning we are all hoping for.
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271918 4th Chimurenga Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:33:15 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271918 As long as Mugabe is still visible on the political landscape then not much will change especially on the economic side. Mugabe's presence is a hindrance to democracy and economic development. Under whatever settlement, Mugabe will never give in on heading the security forces. The only solution for Zimbabwe by Zimbabweans (not only 4 pple, Mbeki, Mugabe, Tsvangirai, Mutambara) is a free and fair election conducted by SADC. That is the only way to get EVERYONE involved in the process. The settlement shouldn't be indefinite because we will later encounter a ZAPU & ZANU scenario.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271918','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271918','4th Chimurenga','As long as Mugabe is still visible on the political landscape then not much will change especially on the economic side. Mugabe\'s presence is a hindrance to democracy and economic development. Under whatever settlement, Mugabe will never give in on heading the security forces. The only solution for Zimbabwe by Zimbabweans (not only 4 pple, Mbeki, Mugabe, Tsvangirai, Mutambara) is a free and fair election conducted by SADC. That is the only way to get EVERYONE involved in the process. \r\nThe settlement shouldn\'t be indefinite because we will later encounter a ZAPU & ZANU scenario.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> As long as Mugabe is still visible on the political landscape then not much will change especially on the economic side. Mugabe’s presence is a hindrance to democracy and economic development. Under whatever settlement, Mugabe will never give in on heading the security forces. The only solution for Zimbabwe by Zimbabweans (not only 4 pple, Mbeki, Mugabe, Tsvangirai, Mutambara) is a free and fair election conducted by SADC. That is the only way to get EVERYONE involved in the process.
The settlement shouldn’t be indefinite because we will later encounter a ZAPU & ZANU scenario.
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]]> By: S Davies http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271917 S Davies Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:14:42 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271917 I just heard Pieter Mulder of the Freedom Front describe the power sharing deal as "two elephants in one kraal". Why wait until Monday - what is supposed to happen? Mugabe sell this to the JOC and Mbeki try to sell it to the donor countries? But let's not carp, it's the only even vaguely good news in weeks, and one way or the other Zimbabwe has to turn this corner. I'm going to close my eyes and pretend I'm Eddie Cross. Yesss...that's better.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271917','S Davies'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271917','S Davies','I just heard Pieter Mulder of the Freedom Front describe the power sharing deal as \"two elephants in one kraal\". \r\n\r\nWhy wait until Monday - what is supposed to happen? Mugabe sell this to the JOC and Mbeki try to sell it to the donor countries? \r\n\r\nBut let\'s not carp, it\'s the only even vaguely good news in weeks, and one way or the other Zimbabwe has to turn this corner. \r\n\r\nI\'m going to close my eyes and pretend I\'m Eddie Cross. Yesss...that\'s better.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I just heard Pieter Mulder of the Freedom Front describe the power sharing deal as “two elephants in one kraal”.

Why wait until Monday – what is supposed to happen? Mugabe sell this to the JOC and Mbeki try to sell it to the donor countries?

But let’s not carp, it’s the only even vaguely good news in weeks, and one way or the other Zimbabwe has to turn this corner.

I’m going to close my eyes and pretend I’m Eddie Cross. Yesss…that’s better.

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]]> By: Graham http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271916 Graham Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:04:38 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271916 "I would very much suspect that the human rights abuses, murders and assininations implictly or tacitly executed by the grubby Mugabe hand will be swept under the carpet and become nothing more than collateral damage." Yes, Malcolm, I share your above fears. If (a) the opportunity has been lost for the perpetrators to at least be forced to make a full public confession in order to gain amnesty, and (b) if we have lost the opporunity to take back ill-gotten gains which could be used to compensate the victims, then the MDC will have betrayed the people, and the country will continue to suffer under future rulers who know they can exploit Zimbabwe's rotten culture of impunity.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271916','Graham'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271916','Graham','\"I would very much suspect that the human rights abuses, murders and assininations implictly or tacitly executed by the grubby Mugabe hand will be swept under the carpet and become nothing more than collateral damage.\"\r\n\r\nYes, Malcolm, I share your above fears. If \r\n\r\n(a) the opportunity has been lost for the perpetrators to at least be forced to make a full public confession in order to gain amnesty, and \r\n\r\n(b) if we have lost the opporunity to take back ill-gotten gains which could be used to compensate the victims,\r\n\r\nthen the MDC will have betrayed the people, and the country will continue to suffer under future rulers who know they can exploit Zimbabwe\'s rotten culture of impunity.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> “I would very much suspect that the human rights abuses, murders and assininations implictly or tacitly executed by the grubby Mugabe hand will be swept under the carpet and become nothing more than collateral damage.”

Yes, Malcolm, I share your above fears. If

(a) the opportunity has been lost for the perpetrators to at least be forced to make a full public confession in order to gain amnesty, and

(b) if we have lost the opporunity to take back ill-gotten gains which could be used to compensate the victims,

then the MDC will have betrayed the people, and the country will continue to suffer under future rulers who know they can exploit Zimbabwe’s rotten culture of impunity.

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]]> By: Ants http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271915 Ants Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:52:26 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271915 My gut tells me b---s---. Five days is planty for Houdini Bob to cook up a plot<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271915','Ants'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271915','Ants','My gut tells me b---s---.\r\n\r\nFive days is planty for Houdini Bob to cook up a plot'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> My gut tells me b—s—.

Five days is planty for Houdini Bob to cook up a plot

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]]> By: Bwana Johnson http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271914 Bwana Johnson Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:29:04 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271914 I smell a rat, and it sure looks like Mbeki.... The only way a deal is ever going to work is if Tsvangirai is allowed to control 1 of the 2 armed bodies in Zimbabwe. He must control either the army or police. If Comrade Mugabe retains control of both, the deal is no good. Mbeki does not have the opposition's interest in mind, the ANC has run South Africa into the ground...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271914','Bwana Johnson'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271914','Bwana Johnson','I smell a rat, and it sure looks like Mbeki....\r\n\r\nThe only way a deal is ever going to work is if Tsvangirai is allowed to control 1 of the 2 armed bodies in Zimbabwe. He must control either the army or police.\r\n\r\nIf Comrade Mugabe retains control of both, the deal is no good. \r\n\r\nMbeki does not have the opposition\'s interest in mind, the ANC has run South Africa into the ground...'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I smell a rat, and it sure looks like Mbeki….

The only way a deal is ever going to work is if Tsvangirai is allowed to control 1 of the 2 armed bodies in Zimbabwe. He must control either the army or police.

If Comrade Mugabe retains control of both, the deal is no good.

Mbeki does not have the opposition’s interest in mind, the ANC has run South Africa into the ground…

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]]> By: Jim http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271913 Jim Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:16:59 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271913 agree with Malcolm...you can murder, rape, basically beat the hell out of the people and still have some hold on power. It is disgraceful. I shall fall off my seat if RM is only ceremonial...it won't happen. We are in for some crazy parallel government trying to pass different laws ending in another stalemate...it may not get beyond day 1. And why?....because we leave Thabo Mbeki in charge of the negociations...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271913','Jim'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271913','Jim','agree with Malcolm...you can murder, rape, basically beat the hell out of the people and still have some hold on power. It is disgraceful. I shall fall off my seat if RM is only ceremonial...it won\'t happen. We are in for some crazy parallel government trying to pass different laws ending in another stalemate...it may not get beyond day 1. And why?....because we leave Thabo Mbeki in charge of the negociations...'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> agree with Malcolm…you can murder, rape, basically beat the hell out of the people and still have some hold on power. It is disgraceful. I shall fall off my seat if RM is only ceremonial…it won’t happen. We are in for some crazy parallel government trying to pass different laws ending in another stalemate…it may not get beyond day 1. And why?….because we leave Thabo Mbeki in charge of the negociations…
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]]> By: CC http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271912 CC Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:46:07 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271912 Praying..<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271912','CC'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271912','CC','Praying..'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Praying..
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]]> By: Malcolm http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271911 Malcolm Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:17:32 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271911 Is this the way democracy works....sign a deal and THEN let the people know what has been signed away in their name? I should reserve my judgment and speculations till monday, but I would very much suspect that the human rights abuses, murders and assininations implictly or tacitly executed by the grubby Mugabe hand will be swept under the carpet and become nothing more than collateral damage.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271911','Malcolm'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271911','Malcolm','Is this the way democracy works....sign a deal and THEN let the people know what has been signed away in their name?\r\n\r\nI should reserve my judgment and speculations till monday, but I would very much suspect that the human rights abuses, murders and assininations implictly or tacitly executed by the grubby Mugabe hand will be swept under the carpet and become nothing more than collateral damage.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Is this the way democracy works….sign a deal and THEN let the people know what has been signed away in their name?

I should reserve my judgment and speculations till monday, but I would very much suspect that the human rights abuses, murders and assininations implictly or tacitly executed by the grubby Mugabe hand will be swept under the carpet and become nothing more than collateral damage.

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]]> By: Secretary Bird http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271910 Secretary Bird Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:04:50 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271910 I'm still sceptical, but I hope to God I'm wrong... Oh, and I hate that I have to wait until Monday to find out whether I can celebrate or not. Why the delay??<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271910','Secretary Bird'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271910','Secretary Bird','I\'m still sceptical, but I hope to God I\'m wrong...\r\nOh, and I hate that I have to wait until Monday to find out whether I can celebrate or not. Why the delay??'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I’m still sceptical, but I hope to God I’m wrong…
Oh, and I hate that I have to wait until Monday to find out whether I can celebrate or not. Why the delay??
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]]> By: Diaspora UK http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271909 Diaspora UK Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:13:00 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271909 Why wait until Monday? Is that to give Bob time to talk to JOC...? I won't believe it until it happens, and I won't celebrate until I see what's been agreed!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271909','Diaspora UK'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271909','Diaspora UK','Why wait until Monday? Is that to give Bob time to talk to JOC...? I won\'t believe it until it happens, and I won\'t celebrate until I see what\'s been agreed!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Why wait until Monday? Is that to give Bob time to talk to JOC…? I won’t believe it until it happens, and I won’t celebrate until I see what’s been agreed!
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]]> By: William http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1852/comment-page-1#comment-271907 William Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:09:49 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=1852#comment-271907 I hope to God that's going to work.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('271907','William'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('271907','William','I hope to God that\'s going to work.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I hope to God that’s going to work.
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