Comments on: Links ~ 23 October 2008 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:20:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Bugs http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413/comment-page-1#comment-272243 Bugs Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:36:42 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2413#comment-272243 I like Dr Wolla's suggestions too. Who would we contact, lobby, pester, scream at. The film on Sky today says it all and we must DO something. While I hear the comments re invasion excuses etc, if the regime was warned, publically that such a humanitarian drop was planned, with the input of regional leaders, they would have a hard time legitimately stopping it. The problem would be of course, that they would say arms were dropped etc. But I seriously think its worth looking at this further.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272243','Bugs'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272243','Bugs','I like Dr Wolla\'s suggestions too. Who would we contact, lobby, pester, scream at. The film on Sky today says it all and we must DO something. While I hear the comments re invasion excuses etc, if the regime was warned, publically that such a humanitarian drop was planned, with the input of regional leaders, they would have a hard time legitimately stopping it. The problem would be of course, that they would say arms were dropped etc. But I seriously think its worth looking at this further.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I like Dr Wolla’s suggestions too. Who would we contact, lobby, pester, scream at. The film on Sky today says it all and we must DO something. While I hear the comments re invasion excuses etc, if the regime was warned, publically that such a humanitarian drop was planned, with the input of regional leaders, they would have a hard time legitimately stopping it. The problem would be of course, that they would say arms were dropped etc. But I seriously think its worth looking at this further.
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]]> By: Ozzie http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413/comment-page-1#comment-272242 Ozzie Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:12:17 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2413#comment-272242 I like Dr Wolla's suggestions - he is recommending something to DO.It is a humanitarian crisis, which can never be solved by talking.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272242','Ozzie'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272242','Ozzie','I like Dr Wolla\'s suggestions - he is recommending something to DO.It is a humanitarian crisis, which can never be solved by talking.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I like Dr Wolla’s suggestions – he is recommending something to DO.It is a humanitarian crisis, which can never be solved by talking.
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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413/comment-page-1#comment-272241 Anonymous Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:42:46 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2413#comment-272241 "Top UN envoy Haile Menkerios was set on Thursday to discuss the political crisis in Zimbabwe with Swaziland's king, who currently heads an African security body, a foreign ministry spokesperson said." http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2414992,00.html<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272241','Anonymous'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272241','Anonymous','\"Top UN envoy Haile Menkerios was set on Thursday to discuss the political crisis in Zimbabwe with Swaziland\'s king, who currently heads an African security body, a foreign ministry spokesperson said.\"\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.news24.com\/News24\/Africa\/Zimbabwe\/0,,2-11-1662_2414992,00.html'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> “Top UN envoy Haile Menkerios was set on Thursday to discuss the political crisis in Zimbabwe with Swaziland’s king, who currently heads an African security body, a foreign ministry spokesperson said.”

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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413/comment-page-1#comment-272240 True Grit Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:01:03 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2413#comment-272240 If Tsvangirai continues to be refused a passport, why doesn't he seek asylum with another African country? This would at least provoke an international incident, be reported by the world press, and may also help to kickstart new governance. It would also show that even a person who has bent over backwards to create change has come to the end of his patience.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272240','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272240','True Grit','If Tsvangirai continues to be refused a passport, why doesn\'t he seek asylum with another African country? This would at least provoke an international incident, be reported by the world press, and may also help to kickstart new governance. It would also show that even a person who has bent over backwards to create change has come to the end of his patience.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> If Tsvangirai continues to be refused a passport, why doesn’t he seek asylum with another African country? This would at least provoke an international incident, be reported by the world press, and may also help to kickstart new governance. It would also show that even a person who has bent over backwards to create change has come to the end of his patience.
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]]> By: LuanshyaBlue http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413/comment-page-1#comment-272239 LuanshyaBlue Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:33:02 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2413#comment-272239 If aid money gets into the hands of Mugabe, Gono or any of the upper echelons of Zanu-pf, guess what it will be used for. Nobody can now believe that it would find itself being used for the health and welfare of the poorest and most deserving in the community. If Mugabe won't accept direct supervised aid, then it's about time SADC said enough is enough. But then we've been saying that for months and years!!! Direct intervention has to come sometime; what about now? Or do we have to wait a little longer, perhaps until the foot soldiers in the army, airforce and the police are also feeling the pinch? Sad for the helpless majority though isn't it? You can't imagine just how much I despise Mugabe. He calls himself a religeous believer too!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272239','LuanshyaBlue'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272239','LuanshyaBlue','If aid money gets into the hands of Mugabe, Gono or any of the upper echelons of Zanu-pf, guess what it will be used for.\r\nNobody can now believe that it would find itself being used for the health and welfare of the poorest and most deserving in the community.\r\nIf Mugabe won\'t accept direct supervised aid, then it\'s about time SADC said enough is enough.\r\nBut then we\'ve been saying that for months and years!!!\r\nDirect intervention has to come sometime; what about now? Or do we have to wait a little longer, perhaps until the foot soldiers in the army, airforce and the police are also feeling the pinch?\r\nSad for the helpless majority though isn\'t it?\r\nYou can\'t imagine just how much I despise Mugabe. He calls himself a religeous believer too!!!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> If aid money gets into the hands of Mugabe, Gono or any of the upper echelons of Zanu-pf, guess what it will be used for.
Nobody can now believe that it would find itself being used for the health and welfare of the poorest and most deserving in the community.
If Mugabe won’t accept direct supervised aid, then it’s about time SADC said enough is enough.
But then we’ve been saying that for months and years!!!
Direct intervention has to come sometime; what about now? Or do we have to wait a little longer, perhaps until the foot soldiers in the army, airforce and the police are also feeling the pinch?
Sad for the helpless majority though isn’t it?
You can’t imagine just how much I despise Mugabe. He calls himself a religeous believer too!!!
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]]> By: Dr Wolla http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413/comment-page-1#comment-272238 Dr Wolla Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:01:33 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2413#comment-272238 The NGOs are stymied by a Reserve Bank bent on stealing the food aid money. They can’t scale up to stop crisis.

So, ways to stop starvation:

Overflying Zimbabwe first with leaflets (to say get out of the way or be squashed..) and then with food aid and dropping it on remote villages. Also emergency medical supplies. This would invade sovereignty and cause an international incident, but hey, starving children (should be ) an international incident and what about the Duty of Care laid out in the UN Economic and Social Rights Treaty for other state parties to provide food in an emergency? Also what about the UN Duty to Protect? This is supposed to prevent mass genocide, even if it means ‘invading sovereignty’ by parties across borders.

A ‘Jarrow March’ style mass exodus of millions out of the country into refugee camps set up for that purpose on the borders with neighbours – on the other side. Once out of the country these people would have better rights under the UNHCR.

Of course the first option might prompt a military response, but the Zimbabwean Airforce could also be warned in advance. I don’t mind who African Union Rapid Response Force would be best. NATO or Europeans otherwise. Mugabe is using starving people as a human shield. Of course he will say the imperialists are invading, but how long will the world put up with being blackmailed by that? How many children….

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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2413/comment-page-1#comment-272237 True Grit Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:33:55 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2413#comment-272237 Re: Foreign Aid - This aid, which is after all funded by the West, should be made conditional upon the power-sharing deal going ahead as originally planned in September. And the Reserve Bank should be properly governed by parliament against corruption and parallel market abuses.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272237','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272237','True Grit','Re: Foreign Aid -\r\n\r\nThis aid, which is after all funded by the West, should be made conditional upon the power-sharing deal going ahead as originally planned in September. And the Reserve Bank should be properly governed by parliament against corruption and parallel market abuses.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Re: Foreign Aid -

This aid, which is after all funded by the West, should be made conditional upon the power-sharing deal going ahead as originally planned in September. And the Reserve Bank should be properly governed by parliament against corruption and parallel market abuses.

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