Comments on: Soldiers vs the cops http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:20:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272563 True Grit Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:10:52 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272563 ZIM DIASPORA has posted his/her message to the army above. There are two points to make about this: Firstly, any money being paid to the security forces, and that includes the police, is being paid in Zim dollars which, as everbody knows, is not real money. Therefore, they aren't really being paid at all, and ZD is right, they have no (real) money. Secondly, with inflation now speeding up past 230 million per cent, you will soon need to stand in line at the automatic tellers every day for eternity before you would have enough money to buy say one bottle of drinking water. So again, ZD is right, they have no (pure) water. Surely, this cannot continue for much longer?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272563','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272563','True Grit','ZIM DIASPORA has posted his\/her message to the army above. There are two points to make about this: Firstly, any money being paid to the security forces, and that includes the police, is being paid in Zim dollars which, as everbody knows, is not real money. Therefore, they aren\'t really being paid at all, and ZD is right, they have no (real) money. Secondly, with inflation now speeding up past 230 million per cent, you will soon need to stand in line at the automatic tellers every day for eternity before you would have enough money to buy say one bottle of drinking water. So again, ZD is right, they have no (pure) water. \r\n\r\nSurely, this cannot continue for much longer?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> ZIM DIASPORA has posted his/her message to the army above. There are two points to make about this: Firstly, any money being paid to the security forces, and that includes the police, is being paid in Zim dollars which, as everbody knows, is not real money. Therefore, they aren’t really being paid at all, and ZD is right, they have no (real) money. Secondly, with inflation now speeding up past 230 million per cent, you will soon need to stand in line at the automatic tellers every day for eternity before you would have enough money to buy say one bottle of drinking water. So again, ZD is right, they have no (pure) water.

Surely, this cannot continue for much longer?

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]]> By: ANON in RSA http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272543 ANON in RSA Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:28:47 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272543 I agree with ZIM DIASPORA - he is right! Persuade by Email or SMS/Text the ARMY [...]. Kick Mugabe out. Take power and then install the Rightful president we all voted for - MORGAN!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272543','ANON in RSA'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272543','ANON in RSA','I agree with ZIM DIASPORA - he is right!\r\nPersuade by Email or SMS\/Text the ARMY [...]. Kick Mugabe out. Take power and then install the Rightful president we all voted for - MORGAN!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I agree with ZIM DIASPORA – he is right!
Persuade by Email or SMS/Text the ARMY [...]. Kick Mugabe out. Take power and then install the Rightful president we all voted for – MORGAN!
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]]> By: ZIM DIASPORA http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272541 ZIM DIASPORA Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:15:49 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272541 MESSAGE TO ARMY: GET ORGANISED! <em>[edit]</em> KICK MUGABE OUT NOW! HIT THE STREETS - VERY BIG NUMBERS. TO WIN WE NEED A MASSIVE SHOW OF STRENGTH. SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS ACT NOW. YOU KNOW THE TRUTH! MUGABE HAS RUINED ZIM! SAVE ZIM! YOU HAVE NO MONEY, NO FOOD, NO CLEAN WATER. TERRIBLE DISEASE. THIS IS TERRIBLE. ACT NOW! REMEMBER VERY BIG NUMBERS. SAFETY IN NUMBERS.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272541','ZIM DIASPORA'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272541','ZIM DIASPORA','MESSAGE TO ARMY:\r\n\r\nGET ORGANISED! <em>[edit]<\/em>\r\n\r\nKICK MUGABE OUT NOW!\r\n\r\nHIT THE STREETS - VERY BIG NUMBERS.\r\nTO WIN WE NEED A MASSIVE SHOW OF STRENGTH.\r\nSOLDIERS AND OFFICERS ACT NOW.\r\n\r\nYOU KNOW THE TRUTH! MUGABE HAS RUINED ZIM!\r\nSAVE ZIM!\r\n\r\nYOU HAVE NO MONEY, NO FOOD, NO CLEAN WATER.\r\nTERRIBLE DISEASE. THIS IS TERRIBLE. ACT NOW!\r\n\r\nREMEMBER VERY BIG NUMBERS. SAFETY IN NUMBERS.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> MESSAGE TO ARMY:

GET ORGANISED! [edit]

KICK MUGABE OUT NOW!

HIT THE STREETS – VERY BIG NUMBERS.
TO WIN WE NEED A MASSIVE SHOW OF STRENGTH.
SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS ACT NOW.

YOU KNOW THE TRUTH! MUGABE HAS RUINED ZIM!
SAVE ZIM!

YOU HAVE NO MONEY, NO FOOD, NO CLEAN WATER.
TERRIBLE DISEASE. THIS IS TERRIBLE. ACT NOW!

REMEMBER VERY BIG NUMBERS. SAFETY IN NUMBERS.

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]]> By: Nuff Sufferation http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272526 Nuff Sufferation Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:12:18 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272526 I have read and pondered on this analysis and have seen light all of a sudden. It has not made sense for the soldiers to riot as they could go direct to the big corrupt players in politics and discipline them as they have the muscle to do so. The soldiers outnumber the military police to resist whatever form of punitive measure the military police is going to render.This intelligent discoveries need to be spread to lead people from propaganda by some newspapers.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272526','Nuff Sufferation'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272526','Nuff Sufferation','I have read and pondered on this analysis and have seen light all of a sudden. It has not made sense for the soldiers to riot as they could go direct to the big corrupt players in politics and discipline them as they have the muscle to do so. The soldiers outnumber the military police to resist whatever form of punitive measure the military police is going to render.This intelligent discoveries need to be spread to lead people from propaganda by some newspapers.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I have read and pondered on this analysis and have seen light all of a sudden. It has not made sense for the soldiers to riot as they could go direct to the big corrupt players in politics and discipline them as they have the muscle to do so. The soldiers outnumber the military police to resist whatever form of punitive measure the military police is going to render.This intelligent discoveries need to be spread to lead people from propaganda by some newspapers.
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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272524 True Grit Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:13:42 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272524 Not only would the President's grip on power be severely weakened if the security forces ceased to back him; if the army from the rank of captain downwards were to mutiny his regime would be over in a matter of days, especially if they were backed by the people. But what then of diplomacy? Would civilian rule collapse and wither away? The gravest threat to diplomacy always comes, not when those who are in a position to use force have something to gain, but when they conclude they have nothing to lose.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272524','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272524','True Grit','Not only would the President\'s grip on power be severely weakened if the security forces ceased to back him; if the army from the rank of captain downwards were to mutiny his regime would be over in a matter of days, especially if they were backed by the people. But what then of diplomacy? Would civilian rule collapse and wither away? The gravest threat to diplomacy always comes, not when those who are in a position to use force have something to gain, but when they conclude they have nothing to lose.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Not only would the President’s grip on power be severely weakened if the security forces ceased to back him; if the army from the rank of captain downwards were to mutiny his regime would be over in a matter of days, especially if they were backed by the people. But what then of diplomacy? Would civilian rule collapse and wither away? The gravest threat to diplomacy always comes, not when those who are in a position to use force have something to gain, but when they conclude they have nothing to lose.
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]]> By: Malcolm http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272516 Malcolm Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:22:20 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272516 Have just read the articles in Zimbabwe Situation. To suggest that this is a stage-managed situation, where only a few actors know their lines seems a bit far fetched. The danger is that it could go horribly wrong for the directors should it spontaneously take root and grow into something bigger. I would like to think of ZANU and JOC juggling in the hot sun with sweating sticks of dynamite, but I don't think that even they are that stupid. If a declaration of a state of emergency was the intention why wait this long without having done so. ZANU is not renowned for waiting for anything to develop sufficiently to attract plausibility - the least excuse suffices for any of their actions. Given their control of state media, the recent incidents could be blown out of proportion, given a quick spin and coupled with 'reports' of other 'incidents' contained within barracks (over whose walls we cannot see) The ZANU engineered mutiny ploy to argue for a state of emergency has been given a sufficient public trailer and we should have seen the state of emergency declaration before now.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272516','Malcolm'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272516','Malcolm','Have just read the articles in Zimbabwe Situation. To suggest that this is a stage-managed situation, where only a few actors know their lines seems a bit far fetched. The danger is that it could go horribly wrong for the directors should it spontaneously take root and grow into something bigger. I would like to think of ZANU and JOC juggling in the hot sun with sweating sticks of dynamite, but I don\'t think that even they are that stupid.\r\n\r\nIf a declaration of a state of emergency was the intention why wait this long without having done so. ZANU is not renowned for waiting for anything to develop sufficiently to attract plausibility - the least excuse suffices for any of their actions. Given their control of state media, the recent incidents could be blown out of proportion, given a quick spin and coupled with \'reports\' of other \'incidents\' contained within barracks (over whose walls we cannot see)\r\n\r\nThe ZANU engineered mutiny ploy to argue for a state of emergency has been given a sufficient public trailer and we should have seen the state of emergency declaration before now.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Have just read the articles in Zimbabwe Situation. To suggest that this is a stage-managed situation, where only a few actors know their lines seems a bit far fetched. The danger is that it could go horribly wrong for the directors should it spontaneously take root and grow into something bigger. I would like to think of ZANU and JOC juggling in the hot sun with sweating sticks of dynamite, but I don’t think that even they are that stupid.

If a declaration of a state of emergency was the intention why wait this long without having done so. ZANU is not renowned for waiting for anything to develop sufficiently to attract plausibility – the least excuse suffices for any of their actions. Given their control of state media, the recent incidents could be blown out of proportion, given a quick spin and coupled with ‘reports’ of other ‘incidents’ contained within barracks (over whose walls we cannot see)

The ZANU engineered mutiny ploy to argue for a state of emergency has been given a sufficient public trailer and we should have seen the state of emergency declaration before now.

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]]> By: Malcolm http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272515 Malcolm Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:00:35 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272515 Consider the past government 'projects' 1.Land reform - War vets target commercial farmers. 2. Price Controls [Operation Sunrise?]- green bombers target shop owners 3. Operation Murambatsvina - police target street vendors. It is possible that the government is using the army to target forex dealers. Why not use the police? As regular patrollers of the streets, far too many police are implicit in the activities of street forex traders and would more than likely tip traders of imminent raids and clampdowns. The same scenario is, or was, rife in Mutare between diamond dealers and a wide cross section of police ranks, from the lowest to the highest. Here we have seen increasing army activity in addressing the diamond dealer problem, which the police have been reluctant to apply too much effort. I wouldn't get too excited about talk of mutiny.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272515','Malcolm'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272515','Malcolm','Consider the past government \'projects\'\r\n \r\n1.Land reform - War vets target commercial farmers.\r\n2. Price Controls [Operation Sunrise?]- green bombers target shop owners\r\n3. Operation Murambatsvina - police target street vendors.\r\n\r\nIt is possible that the government is using the army to target forex dealers.\r\n\r\nWhy not use the police? As regular patrollers of the streets, far too many police are implicit in the activities of street forex traders and would more than likely tip traders of imminent raids and clampdowns. The same scenario is, or was, rife in Mutare between diamond dealers and a wide cross section of police ranks, from the lowest to the highest. Here we have seen increasing army activity in addressing the diamond dealer problem, which the police have been reluctant to apply too much effort.\r\n\r\nI wouldn\'t get too excited about talk of mutiny.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Consider the past government ‘projects’

1.Land reform – War vets target commercial farmers.
2. Price Controls [Operation Sunrise?]- green bombers target shop owners
3. Operation Murambatsvina – police target street vendors.

It is possible that the government is using the army to target forex dealers.

Why not use the police? As regular patrollers of the streets, far too many police are implicit in the activities of street forex traders and would more than likely tip traders of imminent raids and clampdowns. The same scenario is, or was, rife in Mutare between diamond dealers and a wide cross section of police ranks, from the lowest to the highest. Here we have seen increasing army activity in addressing the diamond dealer problem, which the police have been reluctant to apply too much effort.

I wouldn’t get too excited about talk of mutiny.

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]]> By: Sandra http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272514 Sandra Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:20:48 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272514 Hi Sokwanele! You could be right. There are one blog article and one by IRIN on the "Zimbabwe Situation Site-Zimbabwe News" (3rd December)about this. It could be that this all is a strategy to declare a state of Emergency by the regime.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272514','Sandra'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272514','Sandra','Hi Sokwanele!\r\n\r\nYou could be right. There are one blog article and one by IRIN on the \"Zimbabwe Situation Site-Zimbabwe News\" (3rd December)about this. It could be that this all is a strategy to declare a state of Emergency by the regime.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Hi Sokwanele!

You could be right. There are one blog article and one by IRIN on the “Zimbabwe Situation Site-Zimbabwe News” (3rd December)about this. It could be that this all is a strategy to declare a state of Emergency by the regime.

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]]> By: Sokwanele http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272512 Sokwanele Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:48:18 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272512 The news of soldiers being executed is incredible and shocking - and <u>possibly not true</u>. It could also be zpf rumour put out there to try and frighten the other soldiers back into submission trying to do the same. Rumours spread like wildfire in Zim ... let's wait until we know for sure before we give this one legs.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272512','Sokwanele'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272512','Sokwanele','The news of soldiers being executed is incredible and shocking - and <u>possibly not true<\/u>. It could also be zpf rumour put out there to try and frighten the other soldiers back into submission trying to do the same. Rumours spread like wildfire in Zim ... let\'s wait until we know for sure before we give this one legs.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> The news of soldiers being executed is incredible and shocking – and possibly not true. It could also be zpf rumour put out there to try and frighten the other soldiers back into submission trying to do the same. Rumours spread like wildfire in Zim … let’s wait until we know for sure before we give this one legs.
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]]> By: SomeGermanGuy http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272509 SomeGermanGuy Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:38:05 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272509 According to zimbabwemail.com 16 of those soldiers were executed this morning while 3 more died under torture. Is there truth to this?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272509','SomeGermanGuy'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272509','SomeGermanGuy','According to zimbabwemail.com 16 of those soldiers were executed this morning while 3 more died under torture.\r\n\r\nIs there truth to this?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> According to zimbabwemail.com 16 of those soldiers were executed this morning while 3 more died under torture.

Is there truth to this?

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]]> By: fish eagle http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272508 fish eagle Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:25:54 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272508 Mugabe executed 16 of the soldiers early this morning after a hasty Courts martial. I wonder if that will make the rest of the military happy.!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272508','fish eagle'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272508','fish eagle','Mugabe executed 16 of the soldiers early this morning after a hasty Courts martial.\r\n\r\nI wonder if that will make the rest of the military happy.!!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Mugabe executed 16 of the soldiers early this morning after a hasty Courts martial.

I wonder if that will make the rest of the military happy.!!

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]]> By: exbulawayo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272507 exbulawayo Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:21:20 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272507 May the security forces see the light asap so this evil can end and a new beginning can take place.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272507','exbulawayo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272507','exbulawayo','May the security forces see the light asap so this evil can end and a new beginning can take place.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> May the security forces see the light asap so this evil can end and a new beginning can take place.
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]]> By: David Wheeler http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272506 David Wheeler Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:47:40 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272506 Quote:Correspondents say that the president’s grip on power would be severely weakened if the security forces stopped backing him.
Now there’s an understatement!!
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]]> By: Cde So & So http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272503 Cde So & So Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:13:09 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272503 This is a call to all our people to be on the lookout. Robert Mugabe must be prevented from escaping to enjoy the loot he has stolen. To those that are tasked with helping him to escape, please go and land in a country that can arrest him. You shall be heroes. May his soul be eternally tormented for the murders and all the evil that he has brought to our land. The people hate you robert mugabe. Zvapera mugabe zvapera. The mantle came off you at the end of March 08. You are on your own and very naked! Aluta continua. Viva the soldiers that shall destroy this senseless mongrel!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272503','Cde So & So'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272503','Cde So & So','This is a call to all our people to be on the lookout. Robert Mugabe must be prevented from escaping to enjoy the loot he has stolen. To those that are tasked with helping him to escape, please go and land in a country that can arrest him. You shall be heroes. May his soul be eternally tormented for the murders and all the evil that he has brought to our land. \r\n\r\nThe people hate you robert mugabe. \r\n\r\nZvapera mugabe zvapera. The mantle came off you at the end of March 08. You are on your own and very naked! Aluta continua. Viva the soldiers that shall destroy this senseless mongrel!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> This is a call to all our people to be on the lookout. Robert Mugabe must be prevented from escaping to enjoy the loot he has stolen. To those that are tasked with helping him to escape, please go and land in a country that can arrest him. You shall be heroes. May his soul be eternally tormented for the murders and all the evil that he has brought to our land.

The people hate you robert mugabe.

Zvapera mugabe zvapera. The mantle came off you at the end of March 08. You are on your own and very naked! Aluta continua. Viva the soldiers that shall destroy this senseless mongrel!

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]]> By: Anon http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/2740/comment-page-1#comment-272502 Anon Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:18:30 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=2740#comment-272502 @ ZNA and others... Sorry guys but according to the rules set down by the Ghandi Brigade (opposition) there will be no joy taken from your protests ...we are not hypocrites...even though the regime fears your revolting above all other concerns...the opposition doesnt want your input....no soldiers allowed... So knidly return to the barracks and sit quietly and behave in a peaceful manner...we dont want to remove the dictatorship through anything that lands any type of blows on the dictators... This is a peaceful non-violent jaunt to freedom...I REPEAT ...NO SOLDIERS ALLOWED!!!!! :-)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('272502','Anon'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('272502','Anon','@ ZNA and others...\r\n\r\nSorry guys but according to the rules set down by the Ghandi Brigade (opposition) there will be no joy taken from your protests ...we are not hypocrites...even though the regime fears your revolting above all other concerns...the opposition doesnt want your input....no soldiers allowed...\r\n\r\nSo knidly return to the barracks and sit quietly and behave in a peaceful manner...we dont want to remove the dictatorship through anything that lands any type of blows on the dictators...\r\n\r\nThis is a peaceful non-violent jaunt to freedom...I REPEAT ...NO SOLDIERS ALLOWED!!!!! :-)'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> @ ZNA and others…

Sorry guys but according to the rules set down by the Ghandi Brigade (opposition) there will be no joy taken from your protests …we are not hypocrites…even though the regime fears your revolting above all other concerns…the opposition doesnt want your input….no soldiers allowed…

So knidly return to the barracks and sit quietly and behave in a peaceful manner…we dont want to remove the dictatorship through anything that lands any type of blows on the dictators…

This is a peaceful non-violent jaunt to freedom…I REPEAT …NO SOLDIERS ALLOWED!!!!! :-)

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