Comments on: Torture and violence in Zimbabwe (media extracts) http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:43:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Malcolm http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-248435 Malcolm Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:20:34 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-248435 To Stan, You ask of Tracy 'Is there anyone stopping you from going home.' You unfairly accuse her. For a start, Mugabe and his policies, and his creation of a lawless, ecconomically unviable state could be several reasons preventing Tracy from going home. I, too, am ex Zimbabwe, British and married to a Zimbabwean wife who is currently still in Zimbabwe whilst I battle in UK with the UK immigration. Like Tracy I know how the Zimbabweans are suffering. I do not have to climb into the same sinking ship to make my concerns for them any more genuine. Do not suppose that those left behind are braver in comparisson to those who have the opportunity to move away. It is not bravery or any other similar sentiments that see the majority of Zimbabweans still in Zimbabwe - they are simply caught there at this unfortunate time. You must understand that in this instance I'm talking in generalisations, and so too should you, instead of singling out one person for your emotional attack, as you yourself admit, when you know nothing of the circumstances of anyone who have become separated from Zimbabwe. Is it not enough that despite the distance, Tracy still expresses her support for the land and it's people?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('248435','Malcolm'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('248435','Malcolm','To Stan,\r\n\r\nYou ask of Tracy \'Is there anyone stopping you from going home.\' You unfairly accuse her. For a start, Mugabe and his policies, and his creation of a lawless, ecconomically unviable state could be several reasons preventing Tracy from going home. I, too, am ex Zimbabwe, British and married to a Zimbabwean wife who is currently still in Zimbabwe whilst I battle in UK with the UK immigration. Like Tracy I know how the Zimbabweans are suffering. I do not have to climb into the same sinking ship to make my concerns for them any more genuine. Do not suppose that those left behind are braver in comparisson to those who have the opportunity to move away. It is not bravery or any other similar sentiments that see the majority of Zimbabweans still in Zimbabwe - they are simply caught there at this unfortunate time. You must understand that in this instance I\'m talking in generalisations, and so too should you, instead of singling out one person for your emotional attack, as you yourself admit, when you know nothing of the circumstances of anyone who have become separated from Zimbabwe. Is it not enough that despite the distance, Tracy still expresses her support for the land and it\'s people?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> To Stan,

You ask of Tracy ‘Is there anyone stopping you from going home.’ You unfairly accuse her. For a start, Mugabe and his policies, and his creation of a lawless, ecconomically unviable state could be several reasons preventing Tracy from going home. I, too, am ex Zimbabwe, British and married to a Zimbabwean wife who is currently still in Zimbabwe whilst I battle in UK with the UK immigration. Like Tracy I know how the Zimbabweans are suffering. I do not have to climb into the same sinking ship to make my concerns for them any more genuine. Do not suppose that those left behind are braver in comparisson to those who have the opportunity to move away. It is not bravery or any other similar sentiments that see the majority of Zimbabweans still in Zimbabwe – they are simply caught there at this unfortunate time. You must understand that in this instance I’m talking in generalisations, and so too should you, instead of singling out one person for your emotional attack, as you yourself admit, when you know nothing of the circumstances of anyone who have become separated from Zimbabwe. Is it not enough that despite the distance, Tracy still expresses her support for the land and it’s people?

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]]> By: Michael Johnson http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-248294 Michael Johnson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:50:21 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-248294 To all Zimbabweans, I am a South African living abroad. I may not be from Zim but grew up close to the country and her people. What we have in common is the fact that we are all misplaced. I can not be there to fight but I can try and raise awareness. I have started a facebook group "Try Robert Mugabe for crimes against humanity" Please add your names to this group and invite everyone that you know to join us as we at least try to show support and awareness of the plight of Zimbabwe's people. Thank you, Michael Johnson.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('248294','Michael Johnson'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('248294','Michael Johnson','To all Zimbabweans,\r\n\r\nI am a South African living abroad. I may not be from Zim but grew up close to the country and her people. What we have in common is the fact that we are all misplaced. I can not be there to fight but I can try and raise awareness.\r\nI have started a facebook group \"Try Robert Mugabe for crimes against humanity\"\r\nPlease add your names to this group and invite everyone that you know to join us as we at least try to show support and awareness of the plight of Zimbabwe\'s people.\r\n\r\nThank you,\r\n\r\nMichael Johnson.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> To all Zimbabweans,

I am a South African living abroad. I may not be from Zim but grew up close to the country and her people. What we have in common is the fact that we are all misplaced. I can not be there to fight but I can try and raise awareness.
I have started a facebook group “Try Robert Mugabe for crimes against humanity”
Please add your names to this group and invite everyone that you know to join us as we at least try to show support and awareness of the plight of Zimbabwe’s people.

Thank you,

Michael Johnson.

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]]> By: Stan http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-209451 Stan Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:21:47 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-209451 Tracey ,I wonder what you mean by, 'I regret having left the country, and wish i was there to help and support.' Is there anyone stopping you from going home. Stop acting troubled yet you only hear things that you never experienced. If you really wish to be home then jus go i guess you can get a free ride. Sorry i sound emotional, its because you really sound like you have no idea how people are being killed. I advice you to take a closer look and see if your wish is really a wish or just a movie fantasy...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('209451','Stan'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('209451','Stan','Tracey ,I wonder what you mean by, \'I regret having left the country, and wish i was there to help and support.\' Is there anyone stopping you from going home. Stop acting troubled yet you only hear things that you never experienced. If you really wish to be home then jus go i guess you can get a free ride. Sorry i sound emotional, its because you really sound like you have no idea how people are being killed. I advice you to take a closer look and see if your wish is really a wish or just a movie fantasy...'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Tracey ,I wonder what you mean by, ‘I regret having left the country, and wish i was there to help and support.’ Is there anyone stopping you from going home. Stop acting troubled yet you only hear things that you never experienced. If you really wish to be home then jus go i guess you can get a free ride. Sorry i sound emotional, its because you really sound like you have no idea how people are being killed. I advice you to take a closer look and see if your wish is really a wish or just a movie fantasy…
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]]> By: For Nora http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-43546 For Nora Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:21:54 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-43546 What shocked me about the accounts of Mugabe's atrocities is how women in particular are being used by this regime. I have suffered serially under Mugabe's extremeties. My mother was killed in the war of liberation by 'our' boys for nothing other than shielding us (there are four girls in my family)from sexual abuse from the comrades. A close friend of mine was amongst the hundreds who were beaten up in the latest orgy of violence. I refuse for my seventeen year old to inherit this legacy of abuse at the hands of one man. I call upon all those committed to change not to give up. My best wishes to all those lying in hosptal injured. It always is darkest before dawn<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('43546','For Nora'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('43546','For Nora','What shocked me about the accounts of Mugabe\'s atrocities is how women in particular are being used by this regime. I have suffered serially under Mugabe\'s extremeties. My mother was killed in the war of liberation by \'our\' boys for nothing other than shielding us (there are four girls in my family)from sexual abuse from the comrades. A close friend of mine was amongst the hundreds who were beaten up in the latest orgy of violence. I refuse for my seventeen year old to inherit this legacy of abuse at the hands of one man. I call upon all those committed to change not to give up. My best wishes to all those lying in hosptal injured. It always is darkest before dawn'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> What shocked me about the accounts of Mugabe’s atrocities is how women in particular are being used by this regime. I have suffered serially under Mugabe’s extremeties. My mother was killed in the war of liberation by ‘our’ boys for nothing other than shielding us (there are four girls in my family)from sexual abuse from the comrades. A close friend of mine was amongst the hundreds who were beaten up in the latest orgy of violence. I refuse for my seventeen year old to inherit this legacy of abuse at the hands of one man. I call upon all those committed to change not to give up. My best wishes to all those lying in hosptal injured. It always is darkest before dawn
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]]> By: Zimbabwean Abroad http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-43293 Zimbabwean Abroad Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:36:54 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-43293 We are currently working outside Zimbabwe & feel like such traitors, not being there through the current, senseless turmoil. Our hearts, as always are with all Zimbabwean people, inside Zimbabwe & scattered around the world. Lets all pray that change will come soon & one day all the displaced & scattered children of Zimbabwe can go home to rebuild it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('43293','Zimbabwean Abroad'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('43293','Zimbabwean Abroad','We are currently working outside Zimbabwe & feel like such traitors, not being there through the current, senseless turmoil. Our hearts, as always are with all Zimbabwean people, inside Zimbabwe & scattered around the world. Lets all pray that change will come soon & one day all the displaced & scattered children of Zimbabwe can go home to rebuild it.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> We are currently working outside Zimbabwe & feel like such traitors, not being there through the current, senseless turmoil. Our hearts, as always are with all Zimbabwean people, inside Zimbabwe & scattered around the world. Lets all pray that change will come soon & one day all the displaced & scattered children of Zimbabwe can go home to rebuild it.
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]]> By: Diver in USA http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-43267 Diver in USA Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:44:46 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-43267 Hitler Mugabe your day will come..........There will be no mercy.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('43267','Diver in USA'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('43267','Diver in USA','Hitler Mugabe your day will come..........There will be no mercy.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Hitler Mugabe your day will come……….There will be no mercy.
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]]> By: Concerned African http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-43104 Concerned African Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:31:27 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-43104 My grandparents used to live in Zimbabwe, they lost their farm in 2002. I hope all Zimbabweans revolt and crush Mugabe. Mugabe had great initiatives in the beginning, but has seriously lost the plot. He is ruining the country and its former economy with each passing day. Plus he has a moustache that looks like Hitler. Revolution is the only solution to Mugabe's brutal regime. I await his downfall...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('43104','Concerned African'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('43104','Concerned African','My grandparents used to live in Zimbabwe, they lost their farm in 2002. I hope all Zimbabweans revolt and crush Mugabe. Mugabe had great initiatives in the beginning, but has seriously lost the plot. He is ruining the country and its former economy with each passing day. Plus he has a moustache that looks like Hitler. Revolution is the only solution to Mugabe\'s brutal regime. I await his downfall...'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> My grandparents used to live in Zimbabwe, they lost their farm in 2002. I hope all Zimbabweans revolt and crush Mugabe. Mugabe had great initiatives in the beginning, but has seriously lost the plot. He is ruining the country and its former economy with each passing day. Plus he has a moustache that looks like Hitler. Revolution is the only solution to Mugabe’s brutal regime. I await his downfall…
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]]> By: Fernando Olmos http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-42630 Fernando Olmos Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:43:38 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-42630 It's the first time I check a blog from Zimbabwe. I couldn't believe everything you wrote. It sounds so terrible. I promise to read more about your country, and debate it with my friends and mates at the Journalism's school in University of Santiago de Chile, in Chile. Zimbabwean situation looks far from our reality, but it'd be nearest if we just empatize with their pain and suffer. My best wishes from Chile, and I give you the invitation to visit my blog at http://boggito.blogspot.com Fernando Olmos Galleguillos Journalist. 56-9-0154302 http://boggito.blogspot.com<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('42630','Fernando Olmos'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('42630','Fernando Olmos','It\'s the first time I check a blog from Zimbabwe. I couldn\'t believe everything you wrote. It sounds so terrible. I promise to read more about your country, and debate it with my friends and mates at the Journalism\'s school in University of Santiago de Chile, in Chile.\r\nZimbabwean situation looks far from our reality, but it\'d be nearest if we just empatize with their pain and suffer.\r\nMy best wishes from Chile, and I give you the invitation to visit my blog at http:\/\/boggito.blogspot.com\r\n\r\nFernando Olmos Galleguillos\r\nJournalist.\r\n56-9-0154302\r\nhttp:\/\/boggito.blogspot.com'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> It’s the first time I check a blog from Zimbabwe. I couldn’t believe everything you wrote. It sounds so terrible. I promise to read more about your country, and debate it with my friends and mates at the Journalism’s school in University of Santiago de Chile, in Chile.
Zimbabwean situation looks far from our reality, but it’d be nearest if we just empatize with their pain and suffer.
My best wishes from Chile, and I give you the invitation to visit my blog at http://boggito.blogspot.com

Fernando Olmos Galleguillos
Journalist.
56-9-0154302
http://boggito.blogspot.com

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]]> By: a Duoist http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-42548 a Duoist Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:08:31 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-42548 If this moment is indeed the "tipping point" in Zimbabwe; if this use of extreme violence is actually the "end game" for Mr. Mugabe and the Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe, then all the more important it is for a "revolution" in Zimbawe to be non-violent. Do not surrender the high moral ground in a freedom revolution by resorting to violence against those who use violence against you. Violence against outsiders in a freedom revolution is understandable; violence in an internal revolution surrenders its moral quality. Remember Martin Luther King and Gandhi, and how they accomplished so much by using a 'militant non-violence.' They changed the entire course of history for their countries. Finally, find a philosophy to rally the Zimbabwe people, not another ideology. May I suggest the Zimbawe people, if they are truly "fed up" as a people, consider adopting the Philosophy of Human Rights as the grounds for a peaceful, non-violent but militant, freedom revolution? You can find the international scholars involved in the Philosophy of Human Rights at: www.philohr.org. Adopting the Human Rights philosophy gives the Zimbabwe people the high moral ground in their efforts to effect freedom in Zimbabwe: the entire world would notice. 'Be free.'<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('42548','a Duoist'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('42548','a Duoist','If this moment is indeed the \"tipping point\" in Zimbabwe; if this use of extreme violence is actually the \"end game\" for Mr. Mugabe and the Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe, then all the more important it is for a \"revolution\" in Zimbawe to be non-violent.\r\n\r\nDo not surrender the high moral ground in a freedom revolution by resorting to violence against those who use violence against you. Violence against outsiders in a freedom revolution is understandable; violence in an internal revolution surrenders its moral quality.\r\n\r\nRemember Martin Luther King and Gandhi, and how they accomplished so much by using a \'militant non-violence.\' They changed the entire course of history for their countries.\r\n\r\nFinally, find a philosophy to rally the Zimbabwe people, not another ideology. May I suggest the Zimbawe people, if they are truly \"fed up\" as a people, consider adopting the Philosophy of Human Rights as the grounds for a peaceful, non-violent but militant, freedom revolution? You can find the international scholars involved in the Philosophy of Human Rights at: www.philohr.org. Adopting the Human Rights philosophy gives the Zimbabwe people the high moral ground in their efforts to effect freedom in Zimbabwe: the entire world would notice.\r\n\r\n\'Be free.\''); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> If this moment is indeed the “tipping point” in Zimbabwe; if this use of extreme violence is actually the “end game” for Mr. Mugabe and the Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe, then all the more important it is for a “revolution” in Zimbawe to be non-violent.

Do not surrender the high moral ground in a freedom revolution by resorting to violence against those who use violence against you. Violence against outsiders in a freedom revolution is understandable; violence in an internal revolution surrenders its moral quality.

Remember Martin Luther King and Gandhi, and how they accomplished so much by using a ‘militant non-violence.’ They changed the entire course of history for their countries.

Finally, find a philosophy to rally the Zimbabwe people, not another ideology. May I suggest the Zimbawe people, if they are truly “fed up” as a people, consider adopting the Philosophy of Human Rights as the grounds for a peaceful, non-violent but militant, freedom revolution? You can find the international scholars involved in the Philosophy of Human Rights at: http://www.philohr.org. Adopting the Human Rights philosophy gives the Zimbabwe people the high moral ground in their efforts to effect freedom in Zimbabwe: the entire world would notice.

‘Be free.’

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]]> By: tracey http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526/comment-page-1#comment-42330 tracey Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:37:16 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/526#comment-42330 I give my full support to the people still in Zimbabwe, I regret having left the country, and wish i was there to help and support. My prayers and wishes go out to the people of Zimbabwe, we are all with u in spirit even if we are not able to be there fighting with u in person.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('42330','tracey'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('42330','tracey','I give my full support to the people still in Zimbabwe, I regret having left the country, and wish i was there to help and support. My prayers and wishes go out to the people of Zimbabwe, we are all with u in spirit even if we are not able to be there fighting with u in person.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I give my full support to the people still in Zimbabwe, I regret having left the country, and wish i was there to help and support. My prayers and wishes go out to the people of Zimbabwe, we are all with u in spirit even if we are not able to be there fighting with u in person.
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