“I trust your feelings in regard to refugees extends to refugees of all races and not just the ones you perchance to see on your TV screen who thanks to our objective media machine are invariably black”

There you go again, revealing your true feelings. I rest my case.

Which ‘media machine’ would you be talking about? Certainly not our Zimbabwean one, which takes me back to the when-we point I made in a previous comment.

There’s little point continuing this discussion because you clearly just don’t get it. So its over and out for me.

Something Fishy:
My intention is not to make you laugh or just to make jibes, if it was I would have said something funny.

My question related to atrocities committed by the terrorist forces on the black population as compared to the white population. Can you answer the question. I can tell you that the number of black victims of their atrocities far exceeded the number of white victims. Now why is that, why should a black terrorist/ freedom fighter kill the very people he is trying to liberate?
You do however make a number of assumptions about matters to which I made no reference.

Lets keep the expression “Atrocity” within its nornmal and usual meaning. What you are describing comes under the term “discrimination”.

I trust your feelings in regard to refugees extends to refugees of all races and not just the ones you perchance to see on your TV screen who thanks to our objective media machine are invariably black..

Today in Zimbabwe we have the “Free”, sure they are free, or are they? Free to die of aids, free to die from the predations of their benevolent government, free to starve to death etc. Is this freedom, or just a sick joke.

Now, For every right, there is an obligation or responsibility. Rights do not exist in isolation. For equal rights to exist there must be equal responsibilities. Or do you beleive that unequal treatment stems from the amount of skin colouring a person has? No, this is not so, I do not hate a person because he is black, or because he is white. To do so is irrational, I hate a person who is too lazy to think, a person who is indolent, a person who expects something for nothing, a person who is so self centered as to be totally indifferent to the suffering of others.

“atrocities perpetrated by former Rhodesian leader Ian Smith’s repressive regime”

Perhaps the author of this comment would care to elaborate on these atrocities and those carried out by the so called Freedom fighters of Zanu/Zipra and Zapu.

Compare if you will, the number of atrocities carried out by those forces on the black population with the number carried out upon the White population.

Atrocities were attributed to the Selous Scouts but these were the work of the terrorist groups.

“so-called freedom fighters” …..?

“Compare if you will, the number of atrocities carried out by those forces on the black population with the number carried out upon the White population”……?

Do you really expect me to believe that you don’t know that those kind of comments inflame race issues? I don’t believe that someone who cares about equal rights in Zimbabwe TODAY would make those kind of comments. That’s history to us, we’re fighting for now, for today!

However, I think a person who thinks its OK for the majority of people to be deprived a vote; OK for parents to not be able to send their kids to ‘white schools’; OK for black people to be excluded from white clubs; etc; etc; etc; probably would make comments like that.

Because a person who thought like that wouldn’t count that sort of thing as an ‘atrocity’ would they….?

Especially if that person didn’t really care whether Zimbabwe came right or not (I don’t see a great deal of feeling or concern for the Zimbabwean people in any of your comments).

But what really irritated me about that comment is the fact that it was left after an article about how refugees are struggling and having to flee the country and are suffering in South Africa, parted from their children etc. The last thing I was thinking about when I got to the end was making a history race point based on one small sentence in a long article - my head was full of the suffering of the Zimbabwe people being deprived of their freedom. So when I saw your comment — something seemed very wrong, and then I read on through the rest and quickly got the picture.

The suffering of the refugees was not top of your mind Hunyani, you just wanted to make a jibe about “so-called” freedom fighters. What, you think black people were FREE in Rhodesia? PLeeeease! How can I possibly believe you care about equal rights?

you are forgetting something: part of the freedom of expression is that you can tell someone to shut up all you want to. Also, you can tell them that your truth is the right one and that no other ‘truths’ exist. On the other hand, you are then allowed to respond and try to counter-prove that.

Accusing each other of being with the ZPF or whatever is really not the point - actually, I hope some ZPFs are involved here as that would give me and many others the opportunity to ask them what is going on in their heads (if anything, that is).

So … don’t go after the man - play the ball instead. If you feel what is being said is not true, then say something else! You kind of lose it after “…in any way I see fit”.

Anyway - remember the quote, which Voltaire is being credited for (although he probably didn’t utter it):
“I disagree with everything you say, but I will fight to my death for your right to say it!”

//CK

You obviously claim to speak for all “Young Zimbabweans”, and it is a pity that you are so easily bored and irritated. You have simply posted with a closed mind because you are not prepared to even read my posts properly. I base my ideas on the priciple of equal rights entailing equal responsibilities and this means for all races including yourself whatever race you are, I am not interested in wether you are black,white or green with yellow luminous dots..

If you think I am trying to stir up race hate and division you are well off the mark. I suspect that it is you who are probably sympathetic to the CIO and the idiot mugabe.

Now, I have no idea what the majority of Zimbabweans thinks of this regime, but I’m pretty sure they are well aware that “freedom entails responsibility” - but it’s just not that easy to change the current government, now is it, Hunyani?

I don’t appreciate YOURS however Hunyani, and the very derogative way you talk about Zimbabweans. You have left a lot of comments on this blog Hunyani - the right hand column today has 5/6 comments left by you. I am beginning to see a common thread running through them - a bitter ‘when-we’ tone.

To us young Zimbabweans, its so boring and irritating to hear. If you don’t want to be a part of a non racist positive change, can’t you just shut-up?

Do you want peace to fail in Zimbabwe so it can satisfy your view that no african country can ever succeed? Could you bear it if maybe you were WRONG and maybe white and black people in Zimbabwe are genuinely united to fight for change in a peaceful non-violent way.

Or are you by any chance Zanu PF CIO - trying to stir up race hate and division?

Mr Kaufman
Having read your post I am somewhat perturbed to learn that”You guys are like me - just caught under a terror regime”.Since it appears that you post from Denmark how is it that you come to be “caught under a terror regime”??
You ask “Where is South Africa”, well it’s where it has always been but this was not the intent of your question….South Africa does not do anything because one black leader is loath to criticise another, its just not done ergo SA accepts the situation. SA is just as corrupt as Zimbabwe anyway as is evidenced by a constant and regular flow of atrocities perpertrated upon the black and white populations by the criminal elements.
Mugabe has no concern what so ever for the well being of the people and looks to shift the blame for his own stupidity onto colonialism, the whites, bush, anyone but himself and his murderous policies.

Change will only come when the Zimabweans accept that freedom entails responsibility and democracy means accountable government, and to stop relying on handouts, loans, charity and reliance on handouts which only reinforce the begging bowl mentality.

“for Nora”: Do not forget that you should be proud; after all Mugabe is the monster, not the people of Zimbabwe - I have the deepest respect for you and all your fellow Zimbabweans.

What I wanted to post was that your blog and the attention, I have so far drawn to it here, has made a large Danish paper run a 2-day story on Zimbabwe and the troubles you guys are in. I know this probably won’t change much right now, but I want you guys to know that now even more people will know what kind of sufferings you have to endure. Change WILL come. Soon!

Keep being brave

C. Kaufmann

Usually, the news coming out of Africa is filled with disaster, despair and death. What we in Europe never hear is what happens right before the major disaster.
Perhaps the helplessness of, for example, the victims in Darfur seems to make (being completely honest) terrifying - but also a little provocing. It’s like it’s hard to idenfy with the disaster of people who just sit there, with no hope no future and just look like they have given up. I know why they have, but I also know that those images are too horrible in some way to make people react; simply, they cannot identify on any level. I don’t think like that. I know many do.
However, when I was searching the internet for information about Zimbabwe’s hyperinflation (I’m an economist and I am therefore interested in what actually happens during economic crises), I never thought I would stumble across information like this. You guys are like me - just caught under a terror regime just when the disaster starts rolling for real.
I have read through every single post in this blog and suddenly, hyperinflation is just not very interesting. The story of your lives and how we can help save (and later, improve) them is so much more important. In fact, that is the only thing that is important.
Why doesn’t the World community react? Where is South Africa, where is the UK, where is the EU (in which I reside)? I don’t know, but I promise you that I will, right now, start by sending a letter to the editor of our largest newspaper with the link to your blog in it. He’s an acquaintance and this blog should be read by people like myself to make people put pressure on our governments to help you guys. Now. Moreover, this is an extremely important document of evidence to which sufferings Mugabe is inflicting on his people. Wait, not “his” people - the people of Zimbabwe, I should say.
Please keep reporting. Do not let fear stop you. Ever. What I do know is that if every single adult in Zimbabwe gathered to rally in Harare, you WOULD be able to take down this regime immediately. Rest assured that the power of the people is so, so, so strong. Keep being strong and brave.

With all support possible,
sincerely
C. Kaufmann, Denmark.