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	<title>Comments on: Food shortages are about to get even worse as a direct result of government actions</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Royce, at the current pace, in another few years Zimbabwe will have effectively moved backwards in time to those pre-white-colonial days. No electric, no antibiotics, no treated water, no division of labor in farming....

Which will be rough on a lot of people as the population drops down to the new carrying capacity. That sounds callous, but if I let myself really think about the amount of misery in question, I'll have to explain to my co-workers why I'm crying. 

I'm not sure where "whites having total control" fits in with the expulsion of the white farmers who were, apparently, the main source of food for everyone else. No matter how they may have tried to manipulate the market for food, it can't be anywhere close to the shortfalls now. 

I find myself in an odd way agreeing with you about "formal systems of government" - apparently the new UN surveys on health and education for Somolia show that having a total lack of national government was better for them than the prior one. Both expected lifespan and literacy have gone up since the place collapse. 

It's very ironic to compare that with the Mugabe Regime, where increased government has led to a decrease in both. Part of me would love to be able to present that UN report to Mr. Mugabe, perhaps as a slideshow or PowerPoint. 

There would be a certain pleasure to saying, "And in this slide, Mr. President, we have independant verification that not only are you worse than your predesseor, you're actually worse than just having a vacancy in the office."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Royce, at the current pace, in another few years Zimbabwe will have effectively moved backwards in time to those pre-white-colonial days. No electric, no antibiotics, no treated water, no division of labor in farming&#8230;.</p>
<p>Which will be rough on a lot of people as the population drops down to the new carrying capacity. That sounds callous, but if I let myself really think about the amount of misery in question, I&#8217;ll have to explain to my co-workers why I&#8217;m crying. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where &#8220;whites having total control&#8221; fits in with the expulsion of the white farmers who were, apparently, the main source of food for everyone else. No matter how they may have tried to manipulate the market for food, it can&#8217;t be anywhere close to the shortfalls now. </p>
<p>I find myself in an odd way agreeing with you about &#8220;formal systems of government&#8221; - apparently the new UN surveys on health and education for Somolia show that having a total lack of national government was better for them than the prior one. Both expected lifespan and literacy have gone up since the place collapse. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very ironic to compare that with the Mugabe Regime, where increased government has led to a decrease in both. Part of me would love to be able to present that UN report to Mr. Mugabe, perhaps as a slideshow or PowerPoint. </p>
<p>There would be a certain pleasure to saying, &#8220;And in this slide, Mr. President, we have independant verification that not only are you worse than your predesseor, you&#8217;re actually worse than just having a vacancy in the office.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Royce</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/682#comment-102944</link>
		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it doesn't matter that white colonialism destroyed African society that was better off without government for hundreds of thousands of years.  It has nothing to do with imposing formal systems of government anyway, absolutely nothing to do with white colonials installing the hierarchy which will be later used to destroy themselves later on.  No, rather it's because they're black, it's because they're stupid, and it's because they didn't want whites having total control over them.

You're such a genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it doesn&#8217;t matter that white colonialism destroyed African society that was better off without government for hundreds of thousands of years.  It has nothing to do with imposing formal systems of government anyway, absolutely nothing to do with white colonials installing the hierarchy which will be later used to destroy themselves later on.  No, rather it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re black, it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re stupid, and it&#8217;s because they didn&#8217;t want whites having total control over them.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re such a genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Carson</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/682#comment-102415</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put, The Elector of Saxony. I second everything you said.

-A white S. African expat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put, The Elector of Saxony. I second everything you said.</p>
<p>-A white S. African expat</p>
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		<title>By: The Elector of Saxony</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/682#comment-102005</link>
		<dc:creator>The Elector of Saxony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, there is no such thing as "hate speech" The Western European concept of freedom of thought, belief, and expression are at odds with primitive/Stalinist notions of speech restrictions based upon the content of said speech being objectionable to the hearer/reader.

Having said all of that, you chaps voted for Mugabe. You wanted a black African government, and that is precisely what you have got. Inefficient, unproductive, politically repressive, poverty stricken due to corruption, waste, bad management, and violence. There are no counterexamples. 

Why should you lot be surprised by the results? Old Smith warned the populace of Rhodesia and the world what would happen, and wonder of wonders, those exact things happened! South Africa is following along the selfsame path, and within 20 years will be in exactly the same state. I will bet you one tonne of solid gold that I will be proved right, and you wouldn't put up a 16 oz. Coca Cola against it, because deep down, you know it too.

My question is this; Why should anyone feel sorry for you? You rejected a white government, and selected the one you have. Why shouldn't you live and die by your own choices. Under Smith, your life expectancy was first-world; almost 70 years. Under the government you chose, you get 34. Tough luck for you, but you've no one to blame but you're own poltical choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, there is no such thing as &#8220;hate speech&#8221; The Western European concept of freedom of thought, belief, and expression are at odds with primitive/Stalinist notions of speech restrictions based upon the content of said speech being objectionable to the hearer/reader.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, you chaps voted for Mugabe. You wanted a black African government, and that is precisely what you have got. Inefficient, unproductive, politically repressive, poverty stricken due to corruption, waste, bad management, and violence. There are no counterexamples. </p>
<p>Why should you lot be surprised by the results? Old Smith warned the populace of Rhodesia and the world what would happen, and wonder of wonders, those exact things happened! South Africa is following along the selfsame path, and within 20 years will be in exactly the same state. I will bet you one tonne of solid gold that I will be proved right, and you wouldn&#8217;t put up a 16 oz. Coca Cola against it, because deep down, you know it too.</p>
<p>My question is this; Why should anyone feel sorry for you? You rejected a white government, and selected the one you have. Why shouldn&#8217;t you live and die by your own choices. Under Smith, your life expectancy was first-world; almost 70 years. Under the government you chose, you get 34. Tough luck for you, but you&#8217;ve no one to blame but you&#8217;re own poltical choices.</p>
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