Comments on: 23 constituencies to be recounted; so where are the results for the other 184? http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:20:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: BM http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858/comment-page-1#comment-189576 BM Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:58:08 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858#comment-189576 Mike and Hope, on the constituencies with huge numbers for Zanu-pf candidate, maybe those are where people voted for Zanu parliamentary candidate but Morgan for President. So Mugabe thinks he can go back and switch Morgan's votes over to him and nobody will query it? Oh yes we will!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('189576','BM'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('189576','BM','Mike and Hope, on the constituencies with huge numbers for Zanu-pf candidate, maybe those are where people voted for Zanu parliamentary candidate but Morgan for President. So Mugabe thinks he can go back and switch Morgan\'s votes over to him and nobody will query it? Oh yes we will!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Mike and Hope, on the constituencies with huge numbers for Zanu-pf candidate, maybe those are where people voted for Zanu parliamentary candidate but Morgan for President. So Mugabe thinks he can go back and switch Morgan’s votes over to him and nobody will query it? Oh yes we will!
Reply to this comment — Quote from this comment
]]> By: chasura ibenzi http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858/comment-page-1#comment-189509 chasura ibenzi Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:02:15 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858#comment-189509 we go by the majority vote,if the majority are insane,the sane must go to hospital.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('189509','chasura ibenzi'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('189509','chasura ibenzi','we go by the majority vote,if the majority are insane,the sane must go to hospital.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> we go by the majority vote,if the majority are insane,the sane must go to hospital.
Reply to this comment — Quote from this comment
]]> By: exbulawayo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858/comment-page-1#comment-187285 exbulawayo Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:42:07 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858#comment-187285 All I want to say is this suffering of the people of Zim is just too terrible, and that our President Mr Mbeki actually is turning a blind eye to it all,saying this is a process and not a crisis,has made me have no respect for him now, as intelligent as he may be, his actions actually show just the opposite. Where is Mr Mandela as well, even he is turning a blind eye to all of this.It is just a sign of weakness and when apartheid had to end and the Smith regime for that matter,the whole world had something to say and even participated, but now there seems to be no one that can come to sort this ongoing mess out.What distresses me mostly,is the fact that innocent people are suffering daily, I feel like crying....it is so sad<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('187285','exbulawayo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('187285','exbulawayo','All I want to say is this suffering of the people of Zim is just too terrible, and that our President Mr Mbeki actually is turning a blind eye to it all,saying this is a process and not a crisis,has made me have no respect for him now, as intelligent as he may be, his actions actually show just the opposite. Where is Mr Mandela as well, even he is turning a blind eye to all of this.It is just a sign of weakness and when apartheid had to end and the Smith regime for that matter,the whole world had something to say and even participated, but now there seems to be no one that can come to sort this ongoing mess out.What distresses me mostly,is the fact that innocent people are suffering daily, I feel like crying....it is so sad'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> All I want to say is this suffering of the people of Zim is just too terrible, and that our President Mr Mbeki actually is turning a blind eye to it all,saying this is a process and not a crisis,has made me have no respect for him now, as intelligent as he may be, his actions actually show just the opposite. Where is Mr Mandela as well, even he is turning a blind eye to all of this.It is just a sign of weakness and when apartheid had to end and the Smith regime for that matter,the whole world had something to say and even participated, but now there seems to be no one that can come to sort this ongoing mess out.What distresses me mostly,is the fact that innocent people are suffering daily, I feel like crying….it is so sad
Reply to this comment — Quote from this comment
]]> By: Canada http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858/comment-page-1#comment-187001 Canada Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:25:35 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858#comment-187001 (Speculation only) I'm afraid that Bob et al are intending to downgrade ZPF votes in already successfully rigged constituencies by equal or greater than the amount needed to steal the close ones from MDC. He will then distract criticism by alleging that the electoral officers were at fault in the process and have the loss of significant numbers of meaningless ZPF votes to mutely testify to his only motivation which is to save the country from itself and/or insidious foreign provocateurs. He is slowing things down by piecemeal actions and building small amounts of support diffusing attention with each step he takes to try to outlast the western news cycle and his obfuscation strategy is plausible doubt as to the claims of the opposition. Strangely enough this is very common a la the last two US presidential elections (minus the demonic thuggery). The theory being that MSN outlets and their audiences don't grasp or maintain attention for nuance and it has been proven time and again that specious arguments are the tool of choice for erecting and supporting a facade of legitimacy. I hope you make contact with other sites like the one I post below (I am not associated with any by the way and am just an ordinary Johnny Canuck) with the hope that they would assist you in maintaining the international awareness and political pressure. In a perfect scenario Mbeki in particular will have to respond to serious and rapid trade and diplomatic impacts--world opinion will rally to condemn Bob through seeing and making the connection that the Zimbabwe election is of huge continental and global importance and that it has the potential to provide a template for healthy and meaningful political expression. At a minimum RM must be denied any legitimate foreign appearances and countries he has traveled to in the past for his playboy lifestyle must be made to close their gates (to him but especially to Grace and the gang so maybe keep getting the word out who these people are and with luck they will have to cross pickets at every Gucci store on earth) declaring all associated with this regime persona non grata. (Is it too much to ask for frozen foreign bank accounts and a forensic auditor to trace the assets he has siphoned off to foreign money laundries...in the process shining a light on his fellow travelers?) My worst fear is that if he senses the glare of international opinion diminished, his suppression of dissent could become even more inhuman. In the process of trying to understand your situation my respect and admiration for the way in which you have courageously persevered has grown along with my sincere hope that you and your country know peace and prosperity soon. http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('187001','Canada'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('187001','Canada','(Speculation only) I\'m afraid that Bob et al are intending to downgrade ZPF votes in already successfully rigged constituencies by equal or greater than the amount needed to steal the close ones from MDC. He will then distract criticism by alleging that the electoral officers were at fault in the process and have the loss of significant numbers of meaningless ZPF votes to mutely testify to his only motivation which is to save the country from itself and\/or insidious foreign provocateurs. He is slowing things down by piecemeal actions and building small amounts of support diffusing attention with each step he takes to try to outlast the western news cycle and his obfuscation strategy is plausible doubt as to the claims of the opposition. \r\n\r\nStrangely enough this is very common a la the last two US presidential elections (minus the demonic thuggery). The theory being that MSN outlets and their audiences don\'t grasp or maintain attention for nuance and it has been proven time and again that specious arguments are the tool of choice for erecting and supporting a facade of legitimacy. \r\n\r\nI hope you make contact with other sites like the one I post below (I am not associated with any by the way and am just an ordinary Johnny Canuck) with the hope that they would assist you in maintaining the international awareness and political pressure. \r\n\r\nIn a perfect scenario Mbeki in particular will have to respond to serious and rapid trade and diplomatic impacts--world opinion will rally to condemn Bob through seeing and making the connection that the Zimbabwe election is of huge continental and global importance and that it has the potential to provide a template for healthy and meaningful political expression. At a minimum RM must be denied any legitimate foreign appearances and countries he has traveled to in the past for his playboy lifestyle must be made to close their gates (to him but especially to Grace and the gang so maybe keep getting the word out who these people are and with luck they will have to cross pickets at every Gucci store on earth) declaring all associated with this regime persona non grata. (Is it too much to ask for frozen foreign bank accounts and a forensic auditor to trace the assets he has siphoned off to foreign money laundries...in the process shining a light on his fellow travelers?) \r\n\r\nMy worst fear is that if he senses the glare of international opinion diminished, his suppression of dissent could become even more inhuman. \r\n\r\nIn the process of trying to understand your situation my respect and admiration for the way in which you have courageously persevered has grown along with my sincere hope that you and your country know peace and prosperity soon. \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com\/'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> (Speculation only) I’m afraid that Bob et al are intending to downgrade ZPF votes in already successfully rigged constituencies by equal or greater than the amount needed to steal the close ones from MDC. He will then distract criticism by alleging that the electoral officers were at fault in the process and have the loss of significant numbers of meaningless ZPF votes to mutely testify to his only motivation which is to save the country from itself and/or insidious foreign provocateurs. He is slowing things down by piecemeal actions and building small amounts of support diffusing attention with each step he takes to try to outlast the western news cycle and his obfuscation strategy is plausible doubt as to the claims of the opposition.

Strangely enough this is very common a la the last two US presidential elections (minus the demonic thuggery). The theory being that MSN outlets and their audiences don’t grasp or maintain attention for nuance and it has been proven time and again that specious arguments are the tool of choice for erecting and supporting a facade of legitimacy.

I hope you make contact with other sites like the one I post below (I am not associated with any by the way and am just an ordinary Johnny Canuck) with the hope that they would assist you in maintaining the international awareness and political pressure.

In a perfect scenario Mbeki in particular will have to respond to serious and rapid trade and diplomatic impacts–world opinion will rally to condemn Bob through seeing and making the connection that the Zimbabwe election is of huge continental and global importance and that it has the potential to provide a template for healthy and meaningful political expression. At a minimum RM must be denied any legitimate foreign appearances and countries he has traveled to in the past for his playboy lifestyle must be made to close their gates (to him but especially to Grace and the gang so maybe keep getting the word out who these people are and with luck they will have to cross pickets at every Gucci store on earth) declaring all associated with this regime persona non grata. (Is it too much to ask for frozen foreign bank accounts and a forensic auditor to trace the assets he has siphoned off to foreign money laundries…in the process shining a light on his fellow travelers?)

My worst fear is that if he senses the glare of international opinion diminished, his suppression of dissent could become even more inhuman.

In the process of trying to understand your situation my respect and admiration for the way in which you have courageously persevered has grown along with my sincere hope that you and your country know peace and prosperity soon.

http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/

Reply to this comment — Quote from this comment
]]> By: paul canning http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858/comment-page-1#comment-186940 paul canning Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:06:20 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858#comment-186940 Lots of us watching and willing you on from the rest of the world. Lots of love and all power to you guys.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('186940','paul canning'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('186940','paul canning','Lots of us watching and willing you on from the rest of the world. Lots of love and all power to you guys.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Lots of us watching and willing you on from the rest of the world. Lots of love and all power to you guys.
Reply to this comment — Quote from this comment
]]> By: Sokwanele (from Hope) http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858/comment-page-1#comment-186914 Sokwanele (from Hope) Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:12:06 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858#comment-186914 Mike, I'm an armchair number-cruncher so steering clear of detailed analysis; but you're right, it is very odd to me too. I can only assume that Zanu PF think they should have got more votes - I doubt they're contesting for less. I am hoping someone else will do some thinking and crunching... all the info we have is <a href="http://www.sokwanele.com/election2008" rel="nofollow">here on our website</a>.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('186914','Sokwanele (from Hope)'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('186914','Sokwanele (from Hope)','Mike, I\'m an armchair number-cruncher so steering clear of detailed analysis; but you\'re right, it is very odd to me too. \r\n\r\nI can only assume that Zanu PF think they should have got more votes - I doubt they\'re contesting for less.\r\n\r\nI am hoping someone else will do some thinking and crunching... all the info we have is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sokwanele.com\/election2008\" rel=\"nofollow\">here on our website<\/a>.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Mike, I’m an armchair number-cruncher so steering clear of detailed analysis; but you’re right, it is very odd to me too.

I can only assume that Zanu PF think they should have got more votes – I doubt they’re contesting for less.

I am hoping someone else will do some thinking and crunching… all the info we have is here on our website.

Reply to this comment — Quote from this comment
]]> By: Mike http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858/comment-page-1#comment-186885 Mike Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:46:31 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/858#comment-186885 Interesting that nothing is said about the entries at the bottom of the table, where Zanu-PF's first number is higher then the second by thousands rather than the hundreds in the others. Does this mean that the seats with the grossly inflated Zanu-PF wins are being contested by Zanu-PF? Why is no-one commenting on this in the press, I would love to know what the implication of that is. Meanwhile as you say it would be nice if we could all see the First results for the rest of the country, they obviously exist otherwise how would Zanu-PF know that there are only 23 seats to be contested?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('186885','Mike'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('186885','Mike','Interesting that nothing is said about the entries at the bottom of the table, where Zanu-PF\'s first number is higher then the second by thousands rather than the hundreds in the others. Does this mean that the seats with the grossly inflated Zanu-PF wins are being contested by Zanu-PF? Why is no-one commenting on this in the press, I would love to know what the implication of that is. \r\n\r\nMeanwhile as you say it would be nice if we could all see the First results for the rest of the country, they obviously exist otherwise how would Zanu-PF know that there are only 23 seats to be contested?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Interesting that nothing is said about the entries at the bottom of the table, where Zanu-PF’s first number is higher then the second by thousands rather than the hundreds in the others. Does this mean that the seats with the grossly inflated Zanu-PF wins are being contested by Zanu-PF? Why is no-one commenting on this in the press, I would love to know what the implication of that is.

Meanwhile as you say it would be nice if we could all see the First results for the rest of the country, they obviously exist otherwise how would Zanu-PF know that there are only 23 seats to be contested?

Reply to this comment — Quote from this comment
]]>