Comments on: Independence message by Arthur Mutambara http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:25:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: jassy http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-210160 jassy Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:12:25 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-210160 It's interesting to read the varied opinions of Zimbabweans especially with regards to Arthur Mutambara. May I take this opportunity to remind those that accuse Mutambara of being Zanu PF that most of us were Zanu PF a long time ago when the party had morals. Even Tsvangirayi himself was Zanu PF when he was leading the ZCTU. Zanu PF was once a good party then. But it has since become the worst political party in the whole of Africa. This is the reason why the majority of right thinking Zimbabweans opted for the opposition. Glad to say efforts by Tsvangirayi, Mutambara, and Makoni have produced a historical outcome for democracy in Zimbabwe. Though they have played different roles the ultimate result has ensured Zanu PF will never play a significant part in the political arena of Zimbabwe again. In my mind, if somebody was sane enough not to support Mugabe then that person is sane enough to do business with. So, where do we go from here, Zimbabwe? If I had a say in what will happen after the pending departure of Mugabe, I would love for the three guys to work together and try and restore Zimbabwe to its former glory. Tsvangirayi won the vote so he can lead the nation. Between Mutambara and Makoni we could have a prime minister and finance minister. Imagine what such a team could achieve. The most important fact to note is that the nation must come first before any personal egos. Let's forget what happened in the past and concentrate on the present. And the present involves burying Zanu PF and rebuilding our country Zimbabwe. And while we are still there, I would love to see all the service chiefs including the police commissioner relieved of their duties in favour of individuals who know that the forces belong to the state and not to the president. And by state I mean the nation. When soldiers salute a state leader they are in fact saluting the people represented by the leader. It amazes me to discover that such a basic fact has been lost to some misguided individuals currently in charge of our forces. We can't afford to have such minds leading the forces because they will only abuse their authority and end up treating the forces like private armies. In conclusion I would like us as the people of Zimbabwe to realise and accept that Tsvangirayi is better off working together with Mutambara and Makoni. And we as the people who voted must rally our support behind the new leadership and ensure the Zanu PF legacy is buried once and for all. Let's show Mugabe and his goons that there can be a Zimbabwe without him. A successful one for that matter. Come on Zimbabwe, WE CAN DO IT!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('210160','jassy'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('210160','jassy','It\'s interesting to read the varied opinions of Zimbabweans especially with regards to Arthur Mutambara. May I take this opportunity to remind those that accuse Mutambara of being Zanu PF that most of us were Zanu PF a long time ago when the party had morals. Even Tsvangirayi himself was Zanu PF when he was leading the ZCTU. Zanu PF was once a good party then. But it has since become the worst political party in the whole of Africa. This is the reason why the majority of right thinking Zimbabweans opted for the opposition. Glad to say efforts by Tsvangirayi, Mutambara, and Makoni have produced a historical outcome for democracy in Zimbabwe. Though they have played different roles the ultimate result has ensured Zanu PF will never play a significant part in the political arena of Zimbabwe again. In my mind, if somebody was sane enough not to support Mugabe then that person is sane enough to do business with. So, where do we go from here, Zimbabwe? If I had a say in what will happen after the pending departure of Mugabe, I would love for the three guys to work together and try and restore Zimbabwe to its former glory. Tsvangirayi won the vote so he can lead the nation. Between Mutambara and Makoni we could have a prime minister and finance minister. Imagine what such a team could achieve. The most important fact to note is that the nation must come first before any personal egos. Let\'s forget what happened in the past and concentrate on the present. And the present involves burying Zanu PF and rebuilding our country Zimbabwe. And while we are still there, I would love to see all the service chiefs including the police commissioner relieved of their duties in favour of individuals who know that the forces belong to the state and not to the president. And by state I mean the nation. When soldiers salute a state leader they are in fact saluting the people represented by the leader. It amazes me to discover that such a basic fact has been lost to some misguided individuals currently in charge of our forces. We can\'t afford to have such minds leading the forces because they will only abuse their authority and end up treating the forces like private armies. In conclusion I would like us as the people of Zimbabwe to realise and accept that Tsvangirayi is better off working together with Mutambara and Makoni. And we as the people who voted must rally our support behind the new leadership and ensure the Zanu PF legacy is buried once and for all. Let\'s show Mugabe and his goons that there can be a Zimbabwe without him. A successful one for that matter. Come on Zimbabwe, WE CAN DO IT!!!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> It’s interesting to read the varied opinions of Zimbabweans especially with regards to Arthur Mutambara. May I take this opportunity to remind those that accuse Mutambara of being Zanu PF that most of us were Zanu PF a long time ago when the party had morals. Even Tsvangirayi himself was Zanu PF when he was leading the ZCTU. Zanu PF was once a good party then. But it has since become the worst political party in the whole of Africa. This is the reason why the majority of right thinking Zimbabweans opted for the opposition. Glad to say efforts by Tsvangirayi, Mutambara, and Makoni have produced a historical outcome for democracy in Zimbabwe. Though they have played different roles the ultimate result has ensured Zanu PF will never play a significant part in the political arena of Zimbabwe again. In my mind, if somebody was sane enough not to support Mugabe then that person is sane enough to do business with. So, where do we go from here, Zimbabwe? If I had a say in what will happen after the pending departure of Mugabe, I would love for the three guys to work together and try and restore Zimbabwe to its former glory. Tsvangirayi won the vote so he can lead the nation. Between Mutambara and Makoni we could have a prime minister and finance minister. Imagine what such a team could achieve. The most important fact to note is that the nation must come first before any personal egos. Let’s forget what happened in the past and concentrate on the present. And the present involves burying Zanu PF and rebuilding our country Zimbabwe. And while we are still there, I would love to see all the service chiefs including the police commissioner relieved of their duties in favour of individuals who know that the forces belong to the state and not to the president. And by state I mean the nation. When soldiers salute a state leader they are in fact saluting the people represented by the leader. It amazes me to discover that such a basic fact has been lost to some misguided individuals currently in charge of our forces. We can’t afford to have such minds leading the forces because they will only abuse their authority and end up treating the forces like private armies. In conclusion I would like us as the people of Zimbabwe to realise and accept that Tsvangirayi is better off working together with Mutambara and Makoni. And we as the people who voted must rally our support behind the new leadership and ensure the Zanu PF legacy is buried once and for all. Let’s show Mugabe and his goons that there can be a Zimbabwe without him. A successful one for that matter. Come on Zimbabwe, WE CAN DO IT!!!
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-196970 4th Chimurenga Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:27:06 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-196970 Mutambara was just used to divide votes by ZANU pf. Mutambara and Makoni are even worse than Mugabe because without the mayhem they caused in dividing votes, we could be having a president by now.... ABOUT THE SHONA QUOTE "“Hapana akambondikurira muupenyu whangu whose” It means no-one has ever been better than myself during my lifetime"<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('196970','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('196970','4th Chimurenga','Mutambara was just used to divide votes by ZANU pf. Mutambara and Makoni are even worse than Mugabe because without the mayhem they caused in dividing votes, we could be having a president by now....\r\nABOUT THE SHONA QUOTE \"âHapana akambondikurira muupenyu whangu whoseâ It means no-one has ever been better than myself during my lifetime\"'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Mutambara was just used to divide votes by ZANU pf. Mutambara and Makoni are even worse than Mugabe because without the mayhem they caused in dividing votes, we could be having a president by now….
ABOUT THE SHONA QUOTE ““Hapana akambondikurira muupenyu whangu whose” It means no-one has ever been better than myself during my lifetime”
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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-196813 True Grit Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:36:42 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-196813 Gladmore Size - People do change, you know, if the cause is great. Btw, somebody please translate the Shona quote.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('196813','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('196813','True Grit','Gladmore Size - People do change, you know, if the cause is great. Btw, somebody please translate the Shona quote.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Gladmore Size - People do change, you know, if the cause is great. Btw, somebody please translate the Shona quote.
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]]> By: Gladmore Size http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-196671 Gladmore Size Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:13:53 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-196671 Mtambara Great is the desire for leadership.Why and how Mtambara got himself into our already dirty politics is a puzzle only Zanu pf understands. At best Prof Mtambara should just be quite and leave the real MDC complete its course.We know why you are where you are Arthur-Pure Zanu PF and you can't deny it.In our history we will remember you as a chancer and political opportunist like Muzorewa. You are known to say "Hapana akambondikurira muupenyu whangu whose".True then get over to academics.Imagine a man who says statements like this -you wont be any different from this murderer.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('196671','Gladmore Size'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('196671','Gladmore Size','Mtambara\r\n\r\nGreat is the desire for leadership.Why and how Mtambara got himself into our already dirty politics is a puzzle only Zanu pf understands.\r\n\r\nAt best Prof Mtambara should just be quite and leave the real MDC complete its course.We know why you are where you are Arthur-Pure Zanu PF and you can\'t deny it.In our history we will remember you as a chancer and political opportunist like Muzorewa.\r\n\r\nYou are known to say \"Hapana akambondikurira muupenyu whangu whose\".True then get over to academics.Imagine a man who says statements like this -you wont be any different from this murderer.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Mtambara

Great is the desire for leadership.Why and how Mtambara got himself into our already dirty politics is a puzzle only Zanu pf understands.

At best Prof Mtambara should just be quite and leave the real MDC complete its course.We know why you are where you are Arthur-Pure Zanu PF and you can’t deny it.In our history we will remember you as a chancer and political opportunist like Muzorewa.

You are known to say “Hapana akambondikurira muupenyu whangu whose”.True then get over to academics.Imagine a man who says statements like this -you wont be any different from this murderer.

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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195613 True Grit Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:17:22 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195613 Don't worry, be happy that AGO M is on record as saying: "we are in the struggle together".<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195613','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195613','True Grit','Don\'t worry, be happy that AGO M is on record as saying: \"we are in the struggle together\".'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Don’t worry, be happy that AGO M is on record as saying: “we are in the struggle together”.
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195599 4th Chimurenga Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:03:58 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195599 During the run up to March 29 elections the old man resorted to "vote buying" but because of too much inflation he no longer affords to buy the votes so he has resorted to "vote stealing/rigging" which he officially calls collating,verifying & recounting. But he won't succeed anyway so he would rather go to option 3 "vote hijacking" through intimidation using imported Chineese ammunition and again he has a legal way of describing that. He will call it a re-run........ STILL A LONG WAY TO GO<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195599','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195599','4th Chimurenga','During the run up to March 29 elections the old man resorted to \"vote buying\" but because of too much inflation he no longer affords to buy the votes so he has resorted to \"vote stealing\/rigging\" which he officially calls collating,verifying &amp; recounting. But he won\'t succeed anyway so he would rather go to option 3 \"vote hijacking\" through intimidation using imported Chineese ammunition and again he has a legal way of describing that. He will call it a re-run........ STILL A LONG WAY TO GO'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> During the run up to March 29 elections the old man resorted to “vote buying” but because of too much inflation he no longer affords to buy the votes so he has resorted to “vote stealing/rigging” which he officially calls collating,verifying & recounting. But he won’t succeed anyway so he would rather go to option 3 “vote hijacking” through intimidation using imported Chineese ammunition and again he has a legal way of describing that. He will call it a re-run…….. STILL A LONG WAY TO GO
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195589 4th Chimurenga Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:55:44 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195589 I agree with you Rafiki, we can't mix oil and water ... AND WAITING AGAIN:: So it will take 3days to count the ballot papers again. I heard the "command centre" has been shifted to Gweru? Is it true? I think the Zim Govt is taking these elections for granted. They will also need 2 weeks to "collate" the results.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195589','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195589','4th Chimurenga','I agree with you Rafiki, we can\'t mix oil and water ... \r\nAND WAITING AGAIN:: So it will take 3days to count the ballot papers again. I heard the \"command centre\" has been shifted to Gweru? Is it true? I think the Zim Govt is taking these elections for granted. They will also need 2 weeks to \"collate\" the results.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I agree with you Rafiki, we can’t mix oil and water …
AND WAITING AGAIN:: So it will take 3days to count the ballot papers again. I heard the “command centre” has been shifted to Gweru? Is it true? I think the Zim Govt is taking these elections for granted. They will also need 2 weeks to “collate” the results.
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]]> By: Payidamoyo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195581 Payidamoyo Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:48:24 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195581 Sokwanele Good and encouranging message from Arthur M.Could you email the democratic forces, Morgan T,Arthur M and Makoni S to come together and start planning their run-off campaign strategies.Three weeks is a short time and we need to be prepared.The leadership needs to start discussing strategies now. The rural population is being intimidated against the opposition but we need to counter and erase the fear being instilled in them(the rural population)We difinetly need to crash, humiliate and get rid of this evil and illegal regime.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195581','Payidamoyo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195581','Payidamoyo','Sokwanele\r\n\r\nGood and encouranging message from Arthur M.Could you email the democratic forces, Morgan T,Arthur M and Makoni S to come together and start planning their run-off campaign strategies.Three weeks is a short time and we need to be prepared.The leadership needs to start discussing strategies now. The rural population is being intimidated against the opposition but we need to counter and erase the fear being instilled in them(the rural population)We difinetly need to crash, humiliate and get rid of this evil and illegal regime.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Sokwanele

Good and encouranging message from Arthur M.Could you email the democratic forces, Morgan T,Arthur M and Makoni S to come together and start planning their run-off campaign strategies.Three weeks is a short time and we need to be prepared.The leadership needs to start discussing strategies now. The rural population is being intimidated against the opposition but we need to counter and erase the fear being instilled in them(the rural population)We difinetly need to crash, humiliate and get rid of this evil and illegal regime.

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]]> By: Sokwanele (from Hope) http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195517 Sokwanele (from Hope) Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:50:45 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195517 <a href="http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195438" rel="nofollow">4th Chimurenga:</a> We believe the recount is going to take three days or thereabouts. ZEC are veeeeery slow at counting - even when its only 23 constituencies. We just have to wait... again.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195517','Sokwanele (from Hope)'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195517','Sokwanele (from Hope)','<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sokwanele.com\/thisiszimbabwe\/archives\/883#comment-195438\" rel=\"nofollow\">4th Chimurenga:<\/a> We believe the recount is going to take three days or thereabouts. ZEC are veeeeery slow at counting - even when its only 23 constituencies. We just have to wait... again.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> 4th Chimurenga: We believe the recount is going to take three days or thereabouts. ZEC are veeeeery slow at counting - even when its only 23 constituencies. We just have to wait… again.
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]]> By: Rafiki http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195489 Rafiki Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:33:34 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195489 Very eloquent and incisive. Absolutely, in any runoff or rerun all opposition parties must close ranks - there must be no splitting of the opposition vote. The only acceptable coalition government would be that of the two MDC formations. There can be no power sharing with ZANU-PF.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195489','Rafiki'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195489','Rafiki','Very eloquent and incisive. Absolutely, in any runoff or rerun all opposition parties must close ranks - there must be no splitting of the opposition vote. The only acceptable coalition government would be that of the two MDC formations. There can be no power sharing with ZANU-PF.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Very eloquent and incisive. Absolutely, in any runoff or rerun all opposition parties must close ranks - there must be no splitting of the opposition vote. The only acceptable coalition government would be that of the two MDC formations. There can be no power sharing with ZANU-PF.
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195438 4th Chimurenga Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:59:29 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195438 ANY UPDATES on the election RECOUNT... Sokwanele?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195438','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195438','4th Chimurenga','ANY UPDATES on the election RECOUNT... Sokwanele?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> ANY UPDATES on the election RECOUNT… Sokwanele?
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]]> By: takabva neko http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195390 takabva neko Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:37:12 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195390 The mutambara's and Tsvangirai's this is the time for you guys tocome together and try and remend the party .If your reason for the fight is to bring justice and peace to zimbabwe then they should be no reason for u to fight over positions and all ,mukaramba muchidai it will seem as though THE PEOPLE are just voting in another wicked grouup which wants to exploit theM for its own benefits.UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL SAY NO TO M.D.C TSVANGIRAI and M.D.C MUTAMBARA we want one M.D.C<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195390','takabva neko'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195390','takabva neko','The mutambara\'s and Tsvangirai\'s this is the time for you guys tocome together and try and remend the party .If your reason for the fight is to bring justice and peace to zimbabwe then they should be no reason for u to fight over positions and all ,mukaramba muchidai it will seem as though THE PEOPLE are just voting in another wicked grouup which wants to exploit theM for its own benefits.UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL SAY NO TO M.D.C TSVANGIRAI and M.D.C MUTAMBARA we want one M.D.C'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> The mutambara’s and Tsvangirai’s this is the time for you guys tocome together and try and remend the party .If your reason for the fight is to bring justice and peace to zimbabwe then they should be no reason for u to fight over positions and all ,mukaramba muchidai it will seem as though THE PEOPLE are just voting in another wicked grouup which wants to exploit theM for its own benefits.UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL SAY NO TO M.D.C TSVANGIRAI and M.D.C MUTAMBARA we want one M.D.C
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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195346 True Grit Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:09:30 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/883#comment-195346 What a masterly message Professor Mutambarra has written! It is a most courageous and precise appraisal of Zimbabwe's current plight and democratic future. Well done sir! I would only add, with reference to China's involvement, and further continuation in helping to prop up unsavoury regimes. Western governments must either continue to kowtow before the Chinese dragon because of its massive economic potential, or once and for all decide that self-respect and regard for basic human rights demands the setting of firm and clear limits to that genuflection.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('195346','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('195346','True Grit','What a masterly message Professor Mutambarra has written! It is a most courageous and precise appraisal of Zimbabwe\'s current plight and democratic future. Well done sir!\r\n\r\nI would only add, with reference to China\'s involvement, and further continuation in helping to prop up unsavoury regimes. Western governments must either continue to kowtow before the Chinese dragon because of its massive economic potential, or once and for all decide that self-respect and regard for basic human rights demands the setting of firm and clear limits to that genuflection.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> What a masterly message Professor Mutambarra has written! It is a most courageous and precise appraisal of Zimbabwe’s current plight and democratic future. Well done sir!

I would only add, with reference to China’s involvement, and further continuation in helping to prop up unsavoury regimes. Western governments must either continue to kowtow before the Chinese dragon because of its massive economic potential, or once and for all decide that self-respect and regard for basic human rights demands the setting of firm and clear limits to that genuflection.

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