Comments on: The An Yue Jiang is in Angola - and so is Emmerson Mnangagwa http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:08:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: » Bad news: The Chinese Arms shipment is now in Zimbabwe - Blogger News Network http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-218511 » Bad news: The Chinese Arms shipment is now in Zimbabwe - Blogger News Network Wed, 07 May 2008 02:29:06 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-218511 [...] Mozambique also refused to offload the shipment, and China, after a lot of international pressure, seemed to agree that the arms would be returned to the country of origin. But the ship had cement to be delivered in Angola, so the ship proceeded to Angola [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218511','&raquo; Bad news: The Chinese Arms shipment is now in Zimbabwe - Blogger News Network'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218511','&raquo; Bad news: The Chinese Arms shipment is now in Zimbabwe - Blogger News Network','&#91;...&#93; Mozambique also refused to offload the shipment, and China, after a lot of international pressure, seemed to agree that the arms would be returned to the country of origin. But the ship had cement to be delivered in Angola, so the ship proceeded to Angola &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> [...] Mozambique also refused to offload the shipment, and China, after a lot of international pressure, seemed to agree that the arms would be returned to the country of origin. But the ship had cement to be delivered in Angola, so the ship proceeded to Angola [...]
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]]> By: Sokwanele http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-213487 Sokwanele Fri, 02 May 2008 09:05:40 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-213487 Hi friends, <a href="http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/932" rel="nofollow">a new article on this story</a> has been added to the blog today. I am going to close comments on this thread and ask if you would mind leaving them on the latest post instead. It's very difficult to browse through all these comments on slower connections. May I ask you to summarise, in one comment on the new thread, the main points of any ongoing conversations here so everything is consolidated again. Many thanks!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('213487','Sokwanele'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('213487','Sokwanele','Hi friends, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sokwanele.com\/thisiszimbabwe\/archives\/932\" rel=\"nofollow\">a new article on this story<\/a> has been added to the blog today. \r\n\r\nI am going to close comments on this thread and ask if you would mind leaving them on the latest post instead. It\'s very difficult to browse through all these comments on slower connections.\r\n\r\nMay I ask you to summarise, in one comment on the new thread, the main points of any ongoing conversations here so everything is consolidated again. \r\n\r\nMany thanks!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Hi friends, a new article on this story has been added to the blog today.

I am going to close comments on this thread and ask if you would mind leaving them on the latest post instead. It’s very difficult to browse through all these comments on slower connections.

May I ask you to summarise, in one comment on the new thread, the main points of any ongoing conversations here so everything is consolidated again.

Many thanks!

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]]> By: js http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211538 js Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:37:59 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211538 OK, called the UK's Foreign & Commonwealth Office, Zimbabwe Desk (+44 (0)20 7008 2902) and asked "If a company is registered in or has significant representation in an EU country but uses a non-EU subsidiary to transfer arms to Zimbabwe -- not via the EU -- would that be in breach of the current EU sanctions against arms transfer to Zimbabwe?" The person I spoke to was quite helpful and felt that the response would be YES. However has passed the query to their Sanctions Team for full clarification. She said that all EU companies wanting to transfer arms to Zim -- including brokering where no arms pass through the EU -- must be applied for IN ADVANCE of the shipment. She said that that gov't would have to investigate if this law were violated. Why is this important? Because if the air cargo company being considered for this shipment is EU-based (e.g. UK or Netherlands) then this could be a breach of sanctions. In which case, if the arms haven't flown, there's a small glimmer of hope that the investigation can be triggered before they're transfered. A very small glimmer of hope, I have to stress.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211538','js'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211538','js','OK, called the UK\'s Foreign &amp; Commonwealth Office, Zimbabwe Desk (+44 (0)20 7008 2902) and asked\r\n\r\n\"If a company is registered in or has significant representation in an EU country but uses a non-EU subsidiary to transfer arms to Zimbabwe -- not via the EU -- would that be in breach of the current EU sanctions against arms transfer to Zimbabwe?\"\r\n\r\nThe person I spoke to was quite helpful and felt that the response would be YES. However has passed the query to their Sanctions Team for full clarification.\r\n\r\nShe said that all EU companies wanting to transfer arms to Zim -- including brokering where no arms pass through the EU -- must be applied for IN ADVANCE of the shipment. She said that that gov\'t would have to investigate if this law were violated. \r\n\r\nWhy is this important? Because if the air cargo company being considered for this shipment is EU-based (e.g. UK or Netherlands) then this could be a breach of sanctions.\r\n\r\nIn which case, if the arms haven\'t flown, there\'s a small glimmer of hope that the investigation can be triggered before they\'re transfered. A very small glimmer of hope, I have to stress.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> OK, called the UK’s Foreign & Commonwealth Office, Zimbabwe Desk (+44 (0)20 7008 2902) and asked

“If a company is registered in or has significant representation in an EU country but uses a non-EU subsidiary to transfer arms to Zimbabwe — not via the EU — would that be in breach of the current EU sanctions against arms transfer to Zimbabwe?”

The person I spoke to was quite helpful and felt that the response would be YES. However has passed the query to their Sanctions Team for full clarification.

She said that all EU companies wanting to transfer arms to Zim — including brokering where no arms pass through the EU — must be applied for IN ADVANCE of the shipment. She said that that gov’t would have to investigate if this law were violated.

Why is this important? Because if the air cargo company being considered for this shipment is EU-based (e.g. UK or Netherlands) then this could be a breach of sanctions.

In which case, if the arms haven’t flown, there’s a small glimmer of hope that the investigation can be triggered before they’re transfered. A very small glimmer of hope, I have to stress.

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]]> By: js http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211504 js Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:03:50 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211504 oh dear oh dear, following another lead there are also reports that Avient was involved with the BAe arms to South Africa corruption deal, that its possibly involved in the transfer of arms into Sudan via UAE's Sharhaj airport... Also, according to the Guardian Observer (UK) in 2002 that it was contracted to fly "cargo" from the Oryx diamond mine (part owned at least at one time by ZANU-PF military, maybe Mr.President too and which is still under investigation by UN security counsel, though they've yet to publish their investigation). http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2002/oct/27/theobserver.observerbusiness12 The carat and the UN's stick It's a dark tale that links arms, Africa, smuggling, gems - and billions of dollars # Jamie Doward # The Observer, # Sunday October 27 2002 I'm getting in touch with the UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office to clarify current EU sanctions conditions that may apply to any EU company that may get involved.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211504','js'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211504','js','oh dear oh dear, \r\nfollowing another lead there are also reports that Avient was involved with the BAe arms to South Africa corruption deal, that its possibly involved in the transfer of arms into Sudan via UAE\'s Sharhaj airport...\r\n\r\nAlso, according to the Guardian Observer (UK) in 2002 that it was contracted to fly \"cargo\" from the Oryx diamond mine (part owned at least at one time by ZANU-PF military, maybe Mr.President too and which is still under investigation by UN security counsel, though they\'ve yet to publish their investigation).\r\nhttp:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/business\/2002\/oct\/27\/theobserver.observerbusiness12\r\n\r\nThe carat and the UN\'s stick\r\nIt\'s a dark tale that links arms, Africa, smuggling, gems - and billions of dollars\r\n# Jamie Doward\r\n# The Observer,\r\n# Sunday October 27 2002\r\n\r\nI\'m getting in touch with the UK Foreign &amp; Commonwealth Office to clarify current EU sanctions conditions that may apply to any EU company that may get involved.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> oh dear oh dear,
following another lead there are also reports that Avient was involved with the BAe arms to South Africa corruption deal, that its possibly involved in the transfer of arms into Sudan via UAE’s Sharhaj airport…

Also, according to the Guardian Observer (UK) in 2002 that it was contracted to fly “cargo” from the Oryx diamond mine (part owned at least at one time by ZANU-PF military, maybe Mr.President too and which is still under investigation by UN security counsel, though they’ve yet to publish their investigation).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2002/oct/27/theobserver.observerbusiness12

The carat and the UN’s stick
It’s a dark tale that links arms, Africa, smuggling, gems - and billions of dollars
# Jamie Doward
# The Observer,
# Sunday October 27 2002

I’m getting in touch with the UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office to clarify current EU sanctions conditions that may apply to any EU company that may get involved.

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]]> By: js http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211396 js Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:02:51 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211396 Looking ahead to any possible future shipments of arms by air direct China-Zim, Avient Aviation has a possible route: "Avient’s DC 10 flies [from VATRY airfield in Paris] to Shanghai via Almaty, in southeastern Kazakhstan, transporting all manner of freight." Not that I'm saying Avient Aviation would do this, since Mr. Smith has publicly stated, "Avient has a clear international policy that we do not carry any arms and ammunition for anyone."<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211396','js'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211396','js','Looking ahead to any possible future shipments of arms by air direct China-Zim, Avient Aviation has a possible route:\r\n\"Avient’s DC 10 flies &#91;from VATRY airfield in Paris&#93; to Shanghai via Almaty, in southeastern\r\nKazakhstan, transporting all manner of freight.\"\r\n\r\nNot that I\'m saying Avient Aviation would do this, since Mr. Smith has publicly stated, \"Avient has a clear international policy that we do not carry any arms and ammunition for anyone.\"'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Looking ahead to any possible future shipments of arms by air direct China-Zim, Avient Aviation has a possible route:
“Avient’s DC 10 flies [from VATRY airfield in Paris] to Shanghai via Almaty, in southeastern
Kazakhstan, transporting all manner of freight.”

Not that I’m saying Avient Aviation would do this, since Mr. Smith has publicly stated, “Avient has a clear international policy that we do not carry any arms and ammunition for anyone.”

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]]> By: js http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211393 js Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:52:46 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-211393 Re: A.Smith, Avient Aviation denial of involvement. The cited policy is questionable and the man himself is/was under investigation of war crimes for his and Avient's involvement in DRC and Rwanda. Thus the denied involvement may not be easily believable. On the other hand, the rumour is/was that it is a Netherlands-based air cargo company. Publicly available press reports of the history of Avient & Andrew Smith, the managing director. See: http://216.180.252.4/archives/index.php?mnu=details&id=1143959980&catid=14 and http://216.180.252.4/archives/index.php?mnu=details&id=1143960023&catid=14 copy also at http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=15369 from Oct-2006, ref Avient's involvement in DRC and Rwanda conflicts ... "Mr Graham Pelham [working as undercover investigator for the UN], a former manager with the airline, Avient Aviation crews were hired to help with logistics. However, they also took part in blanket bombing raids and crewed aircraft involved in other attacks. " and the Sunday Times article ref'd in above, which is far more graphic & which mentions Mr.Smith of Wiltshire, UK being investigated for war crimes: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article634255.ece copy also at: http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=15368 "Avient’s role was supposed to be logistical but Pelham says he was put in charge of helicopter gunships and civilian aircraft that had been converted to drop bombs and were being flown by Avient crews."<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211393','js'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211393','js','Re: A.Smith, Avient Aviation denial of involvement. The cited policy is questionable and the man himself is\/was under investigation of war crimes for his and Avient\'s involvement in DRC and Rwanda.\r\n\r\nThus the denied involvement may not be easily believable. On the other hand, the rumour is\/was that it is a Netherlands-based air cargo company.\r\n\r\nPublicly available press reports of the history of Avient &amp; Andrew Smith, the managing director. \r\n\r\nSee:\r\nhttp:\/\/216.180.252.4\/archives\/index.php?mnu=details&amp;id=1143959980&amp;catid=14\r\nand\r\nhttp:\/\/216.180.252.4\/archives\/index.php?mnu=details&amp;id=1143960023&amp;catid=14\r\ncopy also at\r\nhttp:\/\/www.zwnews.com\/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=15369\r\nfrom Oct-2006, ref Avient\'s involvement in DRC and Rwanda conflicts\r\n... \"Mr Graham Pelham &#91;working as undercover investigator for the UN&#93;, a former manager with the airline, Avient Aviation crews were hired to help with logistics. However, they also took part in blanket bombing raids and crewed aircraft involved in other attacks. \"\r\n\r\nand the Sunday Times article ref\'d in above, which is far more graphic &amp; which mentions Mr.Smith of Wiltshire, UK being investigated for war crimes:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.timesonline.co.uk\/tol\/news\/uk\/article634255.ece\r\ncopy also at:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.zwnews.com\/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=15368\r\n\"Avient’s role was supposed to be logistical but Pelham says he was put in charge of helicopter gunships and civilian aircraft that had been converted to drop bombs and were being flown by Avient crews.\"'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Re: A.Smith, Avient Aviation denial of involvement. The cited policy is questionable and the man himself is/was under investigation of war crimes for his and Avient’s involvement in DRC and Rwanda.

Thus the denied involvement may not be easily believable. On the other hand, the rumour is/was that it is a Netherlands-based air cargo company.

Publicly available press reports of the history of Avient & Andrew Smith, the managing director.

See:
http://216.180.252.4/archives/index.php?mnu=details&id=1143959980&catid=14
and
http://216.180.252.4/archives/index.php?mnu=details&id=1143960023&catid=14
copy also at
http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=15369
from Oct-2006, ref Avient’s involvement in DRC and Rwanda conflicts
… “Mr Graham Pelham [working as undercover investigator for the UN], a former manager with the airline, Avient Aviation crews were hired to help with logistics. However, they also took part in blanket bombing raids and crewed aircraft involved in other attacks. ”

and the Sunday Times article ref’d in above, which is far more graphic & which mentions Mr.Smith of Wiltshire, UK being investigated for war crimes:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article634255.ece
copy also at:
http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=15368
“Avient’s role was supposed to be logistical but Pelham says he was put in charge of helicopter gunships and civilian aircraft that had been converted to drop bombs and were being flown by Avient crews.”

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]]> By: mama http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206976 mama Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:04:21 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206976 You guys are all amazing Please remember this WORLD DAY OF PRAYER FOR ZIMBABWE ON SUNDAY 27TH April, 2008. A desperate cry from the hearts of Zimbabwe screams across the world. It calls upon all Christians of every denomination in every nation to focus their prayers, in churches, halls, homes or elsewhere, on Sunday 27th April 2008 on the critical situation in Zimbabwe, a nation in dire distress and teetering on the brink of human disaster. Let the cry for help touch your heart and mind. Let it move you to do what You can immediately to ensure this DAY OF PRAYER takes place in your country and neighbourhood. Please pass on this message right now to all the churches and Christian organisations known to you and to the media as well as to everyone anxious to rescue Zimbabwe from violence, the concealing and juggling of election results, deceit, oppression and corruption, and to bring about righteousness, joy, peace, compassion, honesty, justice, democracy and freedom from fear and want. May a continual strong stream of prayer and supplication flow up to the Lord On behalf of all the people on this DAY OF PRAYER, exhorting His divine intervention throughout the nation. "It is by making the truth publicly known that we recommend ourselves to the honest judgment of mankind in the sight of God." ( 2 Corinthians 4:2) SOME ADVICE TO ZIMBABWEANS "Who so putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe." (Proverbs 29:25) "Stand fast, and do not let yourselves be caught again in the yoke of slavery." (Galatians 5:1) "Make no mistake, you cannot cheat God." (Galatians 6:7) "Do not be overcome by evil but overcame evil with good" (Romans 12:21) Bob StumblesChancellor, Anglican Diocese of Harare.19.04.2008.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206976','mama'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206976','mama','You guys are all amazing Please remember this\r\n\r\nWORLD DAY OF PRAYER FOR ZIMBABWE\r\n\r\nON SUNDAY 27TH April, 2008.\r\n\r\nA desperate cry from the hearts of Zimbabwe screams across the world.\r\n\r\nIt calls upon all Christians of every denomination in every nation to \r\nfocus their prayers, in churches, halls, homes or elsewhere, on Sunday 27th \r\nApril 2008 on the critical situation in Zimbabwe, a nation in dire distress and\r\nteetering on the brink of human disaster.\r\n\r\nLet the cry for help touch your heart and mind. Let it move you to do \r\nwhat You can immediately to ensure this DAY OF PRAYER takes place in your country and neighbourhood.\r\n\r\nPlease pass on this message right now to all the churches and Christian\r\norganisations known to you and to the media as well as to everyone \r\nanxious to rescue Zimbabwe from violence, the concealing and juggling of election results, deceit, oppression and corruption, and to bring about\r\nrighteousness, joy, peace, compassion, honesty, justice, democracy and\r\nfreedom from fear and want.\r\n\r\nMay a continual strong stream of prayer and supplication flow up to the \r\nLord On behalf of all the people on this DAY OF PRAYER, exhorting His divine intervention throughout the nation.\r\n\r\n\"It is by making the truth publicly known that we recommend ourselves to \r\nthe\r\nhonest judgment of mankind in the sight of God.\" ( 2 Corinthians 4:2)\r\n\r\nSOME ADVICE TO ZIMBABWEANS\r\n\"Who so putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe.\" (Proverbs 29:25)\r\n\"Stand fast, and do not let yourselves be caught again in the yoke of\r\nslavery.\" (Galatians 5:1) \r\n\r\n\"Make no mistake, you cannot cheat God.\" (Galatians 6:7)\r\n\"Do not be overcome by evil but overcame evil with good\" (Romans 12:21)\r\n\r\nBob StumblesChancellor, Anglican Diocese of Harare.19.04.2008.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> You guys are all amazing Please remember this

WORLD DAY OF PRAYER FOR ZIMBABWE

ON SUNDAY 27TH April, 2008.

A desperate cry from the hearts of Zimbabwe screams across the world.

It calls upon all Christians of every denomination in every nation to
focus their prayers, in churches, halls, homes or elsewhere, on Sunday 27th
April 2008 on the critical situation in Zimbabwe, a nation in dire distress and
teetering on the brink of human disaster.

Let the cry for help touch your heart and mind. Let it move you to do
what You can immediately to ensure this DAY OF PRAYER takes place in your country and neighbourhood.

Please pass on this message right now to all the churches and Christian
organisations known to you and to the media as well as to everyone
anxious to rescue Zimbabwe from violence, the concealing and juggling of election results, deceit, oppression and corruption, and to bring about
righteousness, joy, peace, compassion, honesty, justice, democracy and
freedom from fear and want.

May a continual strong stream of prayer and supplication flow up to the
Lord On behalf of all the people on this DAY OF PRAYER, exhorting His divine intervention throughout the nation.

“It is by making the truth publicly known that we recommend ourselves to
the
honest judgment of mankind in the sight of God.” ( 2 Corinthians 4:2)

SOME ADVICE TO ZIMBABWEANS
“Who so putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe.” (Proverbs 29:25)
“Stand fast, and do not let yourselves be caught again in the yoke of
slavery.” (Galatians 5:1)

“Make no mistake, you cannot cheat God.” (Galatians 6:7)
“Do not be overcome by evil but overcame evil with good” (Romans 12:21)

Bob StumblesChancellor, Anglican Diocese of Harare.19.04.2008.

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]]> By: Dave http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206871 Dave Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:06:37 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206871 To Scotchcart....The Address for Sita Unit 7, Minton Distribution Park, London Road, Amesbury, Wiltshire SP4 7RT is a small unit and NOT connected to the military...I live very close to it..If they are involved..the foreign Office will be calling them later today or early tomorrow..Trust me.!!!! Dave<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206871','Dave'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206871','Dave','To Scotchcart....The Address for Sita Unit 7, Minton Distribution Park, London Road, Amesbury, Wiltshire SP4 7RT is a small unit and NOT connected to the military...I live very close to it..If they are involved..the foreign Office will be calling them later today or early tomorrow..Trust me.!!!!\r\n\r\nDave'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> To Scotchcart….The Address for Sita Unit 7, Minton Distribution Park, London Road, Amesbury, Wiltshire SP4 7RT is a small unit and NOT connected to the military…I live very close to it..If they are involved..the foreign Office will be calling them later today or early tomorrow..Trust me.!!!!

Dave

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]]> By: Tom http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206823 Tom Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:33:12 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206823 "Wiltshire is the military area of UK" - not sure that this is accurate. The UK has major military installations all over the place. Obviously Salisbury is a big one but they're pretty much everywhere! As to the ship, is the general feeling that Angola will try to trick everyone and actually unload these arms? What are the dock unions like in Angola?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206823','Tom'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206823','Tom','\"Wiltshire is the military area of UK\" - not sure that this is accurate. The UK has major military installations all over the place. Obviously Salisbury is a big one but they\'re pretty much everywhere!\r\n\r\nAs to the ship, is the general feeling that Angola will try to trick everyone and actually unload these arms? What are the dock unions like in Angola?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> “Wiltshire is the military area of UK” - not sure that this is accurate. The UK has major military installations all over the place. Obviously Salisbury is a big one but they’re pretty much everywhere!

As to the ship, is the general feeling that Angola will try to trick everyone and actually unload these arms? What are the dock unions like in Angola?

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]]> By: a worried zimbabwean http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206507 a worried zimbabwean Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:50:34 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206507 The just published article by Celia Dugger in the NY Times made reference to side by side photos of the Chinese ship and of Fraser with Dos Santos so MAYBE the shipment of arms will not be offloaded.... be offloaded?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206507','a worried zimbabwean'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206507','a worried zimbabwean','The just published article by Celia Dugger in the NY Times made reference to side by side photos of the Chinese ship and of Fraser with Dos Santos so MAYBE the shipment of arms will not be offloaded....\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n be offloaded?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> The just published article by Celia Dugger in the NY Times made reference to side by side photos of the Chinese ship and of Fraser with Dos Santos so MAYBE the shipment of arms will not be offloaded….

be offloaded?

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]]> By: scotchcart http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206483 scotchcart Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:41:14 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206483 mmmm. . not to defame anyone but Wiltshire is the military area of UK ... of course they do other things there too, shop, go to the movies. . Good work! I find myself rather tired. How does anyone have the energy to argue with the lurkers? I don't see anything in the news about the boat but a master mariner who shall remain nameless is watching her movements via the Lloyds site for us. As far as I could tell, she didn't tell them she was popping in to Luanda for a beer!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206483','scotchcart'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206483','scotchcart','mmmm. . not to defame anyone but Wiltshire is the military area of UK ... of course they do other things there too, shop, go to the movies. . \r\n\r\nGood work!\r\n\r\nI find myself rather tired. How does anyone have the energy to argue with the lurkers?\r\n\r\nI don\'t see anything in the news about the boat but a master mariner who shall remain nameless is watching her movements via the Lloyds site for us. As far as I could tell, she didn\'t tell them she was popping in to Luanda for a beer!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> mmmm. . not to defame anyone but Wiltshire is the military area of UK … of course they do other things there too, shop, go to the movies. .

Good work!

I find myself rather tired. How does anyone have the energy to argue with the lurkers?

I don’t see anything in the news about the boat but a master mariner who shall remain nameless is watching her movements via the Lloyds site for us. As far as I could tell, she didn’t tell them she was popping in to Luanda for a beer!

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]]> By: Tara http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206473 Tara Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:22:30 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206473 This may also be of use: APM Terminals: (also in Angola) APM Terminals is a multinational container terminal operating company headquartered in the Netherlands. It is the world's second largest terminal operator with a global network of more than 50 terminals in 31 countries, with another 14 more in development or construction. (They operate in Angola) e-mail: cenapmtcom@apmterminals.com CONTACT:APM TERMINALS CORPORATE Tel: +31 70 304 3100<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206473','Tara'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206473','Tara','This may also be of use:\r\n\r\nAPM Terminals: (also in Angola)\r\n\r\nAPM Terminals is a multinational container terminal operating company headquartered in the Netherlands. It is the world\'s second largest terminal operator with a global network of more than 50 terminals in 31 countries, with another 14 more in development or construction. (They operate in Angola)\r\n\r\ne-mail: cenapmtcom@apmterminals.com\r\n\r\nCONTACT:APM TERMINALS CORPORATE\r\nTel: +31 70 304 3100'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> This may also be of use:

APM Terminals: (also in Angola)

APM Terminals is a multinational container terminal operating company headquartered in the Netherlands. It is the world’s second largest terminal operator with a global network of more than 50 terminals in 31 countries, with another 14 more in development or construction. (They operate in Angola)

e-mail: cenapmtcom@apmterminals.com

CONTACT:APM TERMINALS CORPORATE
Tel: +31 70 304 3100

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]]> By: Sokwanele http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206450 Sokwanele Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:12:35 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206450 <a href="http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206439" rel="nofollow">BeeSA</a>: That made me laugh. Ooops. And it showed me too that all your emails have an effect. Thank you.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206450','Sokwanele'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206450','Sokwanele','<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sokwanele.com\/thisiszimbabwe\/archives\/910#comment-206439\" rel=\"nofollow\">BeeSA<\/a>: That made me laugh. Ooops. \r\n\r\nAnd it showed me too that all your emails have an effect. Thank you.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> BeeSA: That made me laugh. Ooops.

And it showed me too that all your emails have an effect. Thank you.

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]]> By: Tara http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206445 Tara Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:02:27 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206445 These airlines in Angola has or make use cargo planes: 1) Air Gemini Direcção Comercial Tel.:+244 222 351 249 Fax: +244 222 351 205 e-mail: comercial@airgemini.ebonet.net Air Gemini Carga Tel.: +244 222 356669 Office at Huambo Paccitur Aeroporto Albano Machado AgĂŞncia: Rua Principal - Casa n.o5557 924 111172 2) TAAG Angola Airlines Cargo: Terminal de Carga Aeroporto Internacional 4 de Fevereiro Luanda - Angola Tel.: (+244) 222 352 608 Fax.: (+244) 222 350 111 SITA Code: LADFKDT E-mail: carga-chefia@taag.aero ou dir.carga@taag.aero Call Center: Tel.: +244 222 359226 3) Transafrik International Luanda Physical & Postal Address Transafrik International Ltd. 4th of February International Airport Luanda Angola Telephone Tel : (+244) 222 353 714 Tel : (+244) 222 352 141 Fax : (+244) 222 354 183 Sales Enquiries sales@transafrik.com<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206445','Tara'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206445','Tara','These airlines in Angola has or make use cargo planes:\r\n\r\n1) Air Gemini\r\n Direcção Comercial\r\n Tel.:+244 222 351 249\r\n Fax: +244 222 351 205\r\n e-mail: comercial@airgemini.ebonet.net\r\n Air Gemini Carga\r\n Tel.: +244 222 356669\r\n \r\n Office at Huambo\r\n Paccitur\r\n Aeroporto Albano Machado \r\n Agência: Rua Principal - Casa n.o5557 \r\n 924 111172 \r\n\r\n2) TAAG Angola Airlines\r\n\r\n Cargo:\r\n Terminal de Carga\r\n Aeroporto Internacional 4 de Fevereiro\r\n Luanda - Angola\r\n Tel.: (+244) 222 352 608\r\n Fax.: (+244) 222 350 111\r\n SITA Code: LADFKDT\r\n E-mail: carga-chefia@taag.aero ou \r\n dir.carga@taag.aero \r\n\r\n Call Center: Tel.: +244 222 359226\r\n\r\n3) Transafrik International\r\n\r\n Luanda\r\n Physical &amp; Postal Address\r\n Transafrik International Ltd.\r\n 4th of February International Airport\r\n Luanda\r\n Angola\r\n\r\n Telephone\r\n \r\n Tel : (+244) 222 353 714 \r\n Tel : (+244) 222 352 141 \r\n Fax : (+244) 222 354 183 \r\n \r\n Sales Enquiries sales@transafrik.com'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> These airlines in Angola has or make use cargo planes:

1) Air Gemini
Direcção Comercial
Tel.:+244 222 351 249
Fax: +244 222 351 205
e-mail: comercial@airgemini.ebonet.net
Air Gemini Carga
Tel.: +244 222 356669

Office at Huambo
Paccitur
Aeroporto Albano Machado
AgĂŞncia: Rua Principal - Casa n.o5557
924 111172

2) TAAG Angola Airlines

Cargo:
Terminal de Carga
Aeroporto Internacional 4 de Fevereiro
Luanda - Angola
Tel.: (+244) 222 352 608
Fax.: (+244) 222 350 111
SITA Code: LADFKDT
E-mail: carga-chefia@taag.aero ou
dir.carga@taag.aero

Call Center: Tel.: +244 222 359226

3) Transafrik International

Luanda
Physical & Postal Address
Transafrik International Ltd.
4th of February International Airport
Luanda
Angola

Telephone

Tel : (+244) 222 353 714
Tel : (+244) 222 352 141
Fax : (+244) 222 354 183

Sales Enquiries sales@transafrik.com

Reply to this comment — comercial@airgemini.ebonet.net\r\n Air Gemini Carga\r\n Tel.: +244 222 356669\r\n \r\n Office at Huambo\r\n Paccitur\r\n Aeroporto Albano Machado \r\n Agência: Rua Principal - Casa n.o5557 \r\n 924 111172 \r\n\r\n2) TAAG Angola Airlines\r\n\r\n Cargo:\r\n Terminal de Carga\r\n Aeroporto Internacional 4 de Fevereiro\r\n Luanda - Angola\r\n Tel.: (+244) 222 352 608\r\n Fax.: (+244) 222 350 111\r\n SITA Code: LADFKDT\r\n E-mail: carga-chefia@taag.aero ou \r\n dir.carga@taag.aero \r\n\r\n Call Center: Tel.: +244 222 359226\r\n\r\n3) Transafrik International\r\n\r\n Luanda\r\n Physical &amp; Postal Address\r\n Transafrik International Ltd.\r\n 4th of February International Airport\r\n Luanda\r\n Angola\r\n\r\n Telephone\r\n \r\n Tel : (+244) 222 353 714 \r\n Tel : (+244) 222 352 141 \r\n Fax : (+244) 222 354 183 \r\n \r\n Sales Enquiries sales@transafrik.com‘); return false;”>Quote from this comment
]]> By: BeeSA http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206439 BeeSA Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:55:50 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206439 Comment just in by email from Avient Lmited - 6pm South Africa : The suggestion that we are linked to such a scheme is highly inaccurate. The article actually reads Quote Military officials have also discussed the possibility of hiring a private operator, Avient Aviation, a British cargo charter airline that has previously flown into Zimbabwe. However, this is unlikely, a source said. Unquote There has been no contact with any member of this company to request any form of assistance to move the suggested cargo. Avient has a clear international policy that we do not carry any arms and ammunition for anyone. Please advise who the so termed administrators/activists are with their addressees and email addresses so that the matter can be cleared immediately. Many people their families and dependants rely on Avient for their livelihood and many people throughout the continent of Africa are serviced by us carrying commercial cargo on a daily basis. Andrew R H Smith Managing Director AVIENT LIMITED The Barn Cottage, Brigmerston, Salisbury, Wiltshire SP4 8HX UNITED KINGDOM. Tel: 00 44 (0) 1980 676010 Fax:00 44(0) 1980 654954 Sita : HDQOOXH www.avient.aero Thank you for clearing this up for us.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206439','BeeSA'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206439','BeeSA','Comment just in by email from Avient Lmited - 6pm South Africa :\r\n\r\nThe suggestion that we are linked to such a scheme is highly inaccurate.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe article actually reads Quote\r\n\r\nMilitary officials have also discussed the possibility of hiring a private operator, Avient Aviation, a British cargo charter airline that has previously flown into Zimbabwe. However, this is unlikely, a source said. Unquote\r\n\r\nThere has been no contact with any member of this company to request any form of assistance to move the suggested cargo.\r\n\r\nAvient has a clear international policy that we do not carry any arms and ammunition for anyone. \r\n\r\nPlease advise who the so termed administrators\/activists are with their addressees and email addresses so that the matter can be cleared immediately. Many people their families and dependants rely on Avient for their livelihood and many people throughout the continent of Africa are serviced by us carrying commercial cargo on a daily basis. \r\n\r\n \r\nAndrew R H Smith\r\nManaging Director\r\nAVIENT LIMITED\r\nThe Barn Cottage,\r\nBrigmerston, Salisbury, Wiltshire SP4 8HX\r\nUNITED KINGDOM. \r\nTel: 00 44 (0) 1980 676010\r\nFax:00 44(0) 1980 654954\r\nSita : HDQOOXH \r\nwww.avient.aero\r\n\r\nThank you for clearing this up for us.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Comment just in by email from Avient Lmited - 6pm South Africa :

The suggestion that we are linked to such a scheme is highly inaccurate.

The article actually reads Quote

Military officials have also discussed the possibility of hiring a private operator, Avient Aviation, a British cargo charter airline that has previously flown into Zimbabwe. However, this is unlikely, a source said. Unquote

There has been no contact with any member of this company to request any form of assistance to move the suggested cargo.

Avient has a clear international policy that we do not carry any arms and ammunition for anyone.

Please advise who the so termed administrators/activists are with their addressees and email addresses so that the matter can be cleared immediately. Many people their families and dependants rely on Avient for their livelihood and many people throughout the continent of Africa are serviced by us carrying commercial cargo on a daily basis.

Andrew R H Smith
Managing Director
AVIENT LIMITED
The Barn Cottage,
Brigmerston, Salisbury, Wiltshire SP4 8HX
UNITED KINGDOM.
Tel: 00 44 (0) 1980 676010
Fax:00 44(0) 1980 654954
Sita : HDQOOXH
http://www.avient.aero

Thank you for clearing this up for us.

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]]> By: Sandra http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206312 Sandra Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:37:18 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206312 I sent off the portugese letter and alerted media in Germany. Let's go on together!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206312','Sandra'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206312','Sandra','I sent off the portugese letter and alerted media in Germany. Let\'s go on together!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I sent off the portugese letter and alerted media in Germany. Let’s go on together!
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]]> By: ginny http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206118 ginny Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:11:27 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206118 Sent to the New York Times foreign desk, but then I found the story on <a href="http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN635192.html" rel="nofollow">Reuters</a> It looks like Angolan President Dos Santos <a href="http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN635192.html" rel="nofollow">sent a letter back to Mugabe</a>. I wonder if they're agreeing to terms for a swap? Also sent to the Anglican Archbishop of South Africa, as church activists have been involved in the court cases and across borders. Sunday is a world day of prayer for Zimbabwe. Sent also to the New York Times reporter whose byline appears most often on Zimbabwe news items, Cecilia Duggar. A webform for contacting her is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206118','ginny'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206118','ginny','Sent to the New York Times foreign desk, but then I found the story on <a href=\"http:\/\/africa.reuters.com\/top\/news\/usnBAN635192.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">Reuters<\/a> \r\n\r\nIt looks like Angolan President Dos Santos <a href=\"http:\/\/africa.reuters.com\/top\/news\/usnBAN635192.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">sent a letter back to Mugabe<\/a>. I wonder if they\'re agreeing to terms for a swap?\r\n\r\nAlso sent to the Anglican Archbishop of South Africa, as church activists have been involved in the court cases and across borders. Sunday is a world day of prayer for Zimbabwe. \r\n\r\nSent also to the New York Times reporter whose byline appears most often on Zimbabwe news items, Cecilia Duggar. A webform for contacting her is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/gst\/emailus.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Sent to the New York Times foreign desk, but then I found the story on Reuters

It looks like Angolan President Dos Santos sent a letter back to Mugabe. I wonder if they’re agreeing to terms for a swap?

Also sent to the Anglican Archbishop of South Africa, as church activists have been involved in the court cases and across borders. Sunday is a world day of prayer for Zimbabwe.

Sent also to the New York Times reporter whose byline appears most often on Zimbabwe news items, Cecilia Duggar. A webform for contacting her is here.

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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206100 4th Chimurenga Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:03:19 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206100 MEANWHILE... ZANU PF Has again lost majority in Parliament.. I hope they should release the remaining "dead rubber" results for the recount so that we have president for the first time in 4 weeks.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206100','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206100','4th Chimurenga','MEANWHILE...\r\nZANU PF Has again lost majority in Parliament.. I hope they should release the remaining \"dead rubber\" results for the recount so that we have president for the first time in 4 weeks.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> MEANWHILE…
ZANU PF Has again lost majority in Parliament.. I hope they should release the remaining “dead rubber” results for the recount so that we have president for the first time in 4 weeks.
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206038 4th Chimurenga Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:26:33 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206038 Something fishy is going on with this former president of ours and his counter part, Jose Eduardo Dos Santos. Unless we get the so called mainstream media to highlight the presence of the murderous,ruthless,inhuman & corrupt Mnangagwa , Mugabe will take advantage of the silence and smuggle the arms...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206038','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206038','4th Chimurenga','Something fishy is going on with this former president of ours and his counter part, Jose Eduardo Dos Santos. Unless we get the so called mainstream media to highlight the presence of the murderous,ruthless,inhuman &amp; corrupt Mnangagwa , Mugabe will take advantage of the silence and smuggle the arms...'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Something fishy is going on with this former president of ours and his counter part, Jose Eduardo Dos Santos. Unless we get the so called mainstream media to highlight the presence of the murderous,ruthless,inhuman & corrupt Mnangagwa , Mugabe will take advantage of the silence and smuggle the arms…
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]]> By: Anon http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206033 Anon Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:23:14 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/910#comment-206033 THE BBC site says that China has recalled the ship. We need to verify this. If it is true then congratulations to Sokwanele and all activists. We must keep this effort up. I am worried that if the ship returns to China they will try and airfreight the cargo to Harare. The 77 Tonnes of cargo on the ship could be airfrighted in approx 5 Flights (depending on size of plane). This would cost Zim plenty -over Usd 1,000,000 extra. Info on timing: By sea from off Namibian coast to say Shanghai: 3 weeks, then about 8 days to unload and transport to airstrip so earliest this cargo could be airfreighted from China is: 24th May.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206033','Anon'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206033','Anon','THE BBC site says that China has recalled the ship. We need to verify this.\r\nIf it is true then congratulations to Sokwanele and all activists. \r\nWe must keep this effort up. I am worried that if the ship returns to China they will try and airfreight the cargo to Harare. The 77 Tonnes of cargo on the ship could be airfrighted in approx 5 Flights (depending on size of plane).\r\nThis would cost Zim plenty -over Usd 1,000,000 extra. Info on timing: By sea from off Namibian coast to say Shanghai: 3 weeks, then about 8 days to unload and transport to airstrip so earliest this cargo could be airfreighted from China is: 24th May.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> THE BBC site says that China has recalled the ship. We need to verify this.
If it is true then congratulations to Sokwanele and all activists.
We must keep this effort up. I am worried that if the ship returns to China they will try and airfreight the cargo to Harare. The 77 Tonnes of cargo on the ship could be airfrighted in approx 5 Flights (depending on size of plane).
This would cost Zim plenty -over Usd 1,000,000 extra. Info on timing: By sea from off Namibian coast to say Shanghai: 3 weeks, then about 8 days to unload and transport to airstrip so earliest this cargo could be airfreighted from China is: 24th May.
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