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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The school had been turned into a “base” by war veterans, youth militia and the army, where they tortured opposition supporters for voting against President Robert Mugabe in last month’s election. “There was information the abducted supporters were being tortured. So their colleagues went there to rescue them, but as soon as they arrived they were showered with bullets.”

(SOURCE zwnews)&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207877','anon'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207877','anon','The school had been turned into a &#226;base&#226; by war veterans, youth militia and the army, where they tortured opposition supporters for voting against President Robert Mugabe in last month&#226;s election. &#226;There was information the abducted supporters were being tortured. So their colleagues went there to rescue them, but as soon as they arrived they were showered with bullets.&#226;\r\n\r\n(SOURCE zwnews)'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The school had been turned into a “base” by war veterans, youth militia and the army, where they tortured opposition supporters for voting against President Robert Mugabe in last month’s election. “There was information the abducted supporters were being tortured. So their colleagues went there to rescue them, but as soon as they arrived they were showered with bullets.”</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An MDC activist was shot dead and seven others were injured on Friday in Manicaland after soldiers and war veterans opened fired on them as they demanded the release of their colleagues, whom the soldiers had allegedly abducted and tortured. Yesterday the MDC said Tabith Marume was shot in the stomach and died before admission at Mutare General Hospital while the other victims were treated at a private clinic in the town. The shooting occurred in Makoni West constituency. A doctor, who asked not to be named, confirmed the shooting and the death. MDC Manicaland provincial spokesperson, Pishai Muchauraya, confirming the death, said Marume’s body was taken to Mutare General Hospital. Muchauraya, the House of Assembly Member for Makoni South, said the MDC supporters confronted war veterans and soldiers at Manonga School, to demand that they release other opposition supporters they had allegedly abducted two days earlier.

R.I.P.-&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207858','anon'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207858','anon','An MDC activist was shot dead and seven others were injured on Friday in Manicaland after soldiers and war veterans opened fired on them as they demanded the release of their colleagues, whom the soldiers had allegedly abducted and tortured. Yesterday the MDC said Tabith Marume was shot in the stomach and died before admission at Mutare General Hospital while the other victims were treated at a private clinic in the town. The shooting occurred in Makoni West constituency. A doctor, who asked not to be named, confirmed the shooting and the death. MDC Manicaland provincial spokesperson, Pishai Muchauraya, confirming the death, said Marume&#226;s body was taken to Mutare General Hospital. Muchauraya, the House of Assembly Member for Makoni South, said the MDC supporters confronted war veterans and soldiers at Manonga School, to demand that they release other opposition supporters they had allegedly abducted two days earlier.\r\n\r\nR.I.P.-'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An MDC activist was shot dead and seven others were injured on Friday in Manicaland after soldiers and war veterans opened fired on them as they demanded the release of their colleagues, whom the soldiers had allegedly abducted and tortured. Yesterday the MDC said Tabith Marume was shot in the stomach and died before admission at Mutare General Hospital while the other victims were treated at a private clinic in the town. The shooting occurred in Makoni West constituency. A doctor, who asked not to be named, confirmed the shooting and the death. MDC Manicaland provincial spokesperson, Pishai Muchauraya, confirming the death, said Marume’s body was taken to Mutare General Hospital. Muchauraya, the House of Assembly Member for Makoni South, said the MDC supporters confronted war veterans and soldiers at Manonga School, to demand that they release other opposition supporters they had allegedly abducted two days earlier.</p>
<p>R.I.P.-
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207858','anon'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207858','anon','An MDC activist was shot dead and seven others were injured on Friday in Manicaland after soldiers and war veterans opened fired on them as they demanded the release of their colleagues, whom the soldiers had allegedly abducted and tortured. Yesterday the MDC said Tabith Marume was shot in the stomach and died before admission at Mutare General Hospital while the other victims were treated at a private clinic in the town. The shooting occurred in Makoni West constituency. A doctor, who asked not to be named, confirmed the shooting and the death. MDC Manicaland provincial spokesperson, Pishai Muchauraya, confirming the death, said Marume&acirc;s body was taken to Mutare General Hospital. Muchauraya, the House of Assembly Member for Makoni South, said the MDC supporters confronted war veterans and soldiers at Manonga School, to demand that they release other opposition supporters they had allegedly abducted two days earlier.\r\n\r\nR.I.P.-'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: scotchcart</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotchcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ zimdownunder

This would be a good project for students at UWA - you are in a mining area after all and have good access to libraries and good minds to explain the ins and outs to you.  Then you can explain them to us!

I think we want to check these things out and identify pressure points where we can act without causing "collateral" damage - to anyone, including to yourself.  Go by the motto "don't use a atom bomb when a spear will do".  Precise and to-the-point, not big,noisy and destructive.

How to get started.  I don't think I kept the link - start searching on zimplats.  You won't find direct mentions of payments on their sites of course!  What you need to do is research the picture at company level (including their bankers etc - all on their annual reports, I imagine) and then research which journalists would ask questions.  Who is into social responsibility etc.  And ask them "do you know anything about this?".  It seems slow but it goes fast and it gets interesting and you learn a lot in the process. 

Let us know how it goes and we can coach you from there.

Looking forward to hearing more.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207803','scotchcart'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207803','scotchcart','@ zimdownunder\r\n\r\nThis would be a good project for students at UWA - you are in a mining area after all and have good access to libraries and good minds to explain the ins and outs to you.  Then you can explain them to us!\r\n\r\nI think we want to check these things out and identify pressure points where we can act without causing \&#34;collateral\&#34; damage - to anyone, including to yourself.  Go by the motto \&#34;don\'t use a atom bomb when a spear will do\&#34;.  Precise and to-the-point, not big,noisy and destructive.\r\n\r\nHow to get started.  I don\'t think I kept the link - start searching on zimplats.  You won\'t find direct mentions of payments on their sites of course!  What you need to do is research the picture at company level (including their bankers etc - all on their annual reports, I imagine) and then research which journalists would ask questions.  Who is into social responsibility etc.  And ask them \&#34;do you know anything about this?\&#34;.  It seems slow but it goes fast and it gets interesting and you learn a lot in the process. \r\n\r\nLet us know how it goes and we can coach you from there.\r\n\r\nLooking forward to hearing more.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ zimdownunder</p>
<p>This would be a good project for students at UWA - you are in a mining area after all and have good access to libraries and good minds to explain the ins and outs to you.  Then you can explain them to us!</p>
<p>I think we want to check these things out and identify pressure points where we can act without causing &#8220;collateral&#8221; damage - to anyone, including to yourself.  Go by the motto &#8220;don&#8217;t use a atom bomb when a spear will do&#8221;.  Precise and to-the-point, not big,noisy and destructive.</p>
<p>How to get started.  I don&#8217;t think I kept the link - start searching on zimplats.  You won&#8217;t find direct mentions of payments on their sites of course!  What you need to do is research the picture at company level (including their bankers etc - all on their annual reports, I imagine) and then research which journalists would ask questions.  Who is into social responsibility etc.  And ask them &#8220;do you know anything about this?&#8221;.  It seems slow but it goes fast and it gets interesting and you learn a lot in the process. </p>
<p>Let us know how it goes and we can coach you from there.</p>
<p>Looking forward to hearing more.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207803','scotchcart'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207803','scotchcart','@ zimdownunder\r\n\r\nThis would be a good project for students at UWA - you are in a mining area after all and have good access to libraries and good minds to explain the ins and outs to you.  Then you can explain them to us!\r\n\r\nI think we want to check these things out and identify pressure points where we can act without causing \&quot;collateral\&quot; damage - to anyone, including to yourself.  Go by the motto \&quot;don\'t use a atom bomb when a spear will do\&quot;.  Precise and to-the-point, not big,noisy and destructive.\r\n\r\nHow to get started.  I don\'t think I kept the link - start searching on zimplats.  You won\'t find direct mentions of payments on their sites of course!  What you need to do is research the picture at company level (including their bankers etc - all on their annual reports, I imagine) and then research which journalists would ask questions.  Who is into social responsibility etc.  And ask them \&quot;do you know anything about this?\&quot;.  It seems slow but it goes fast and it gets interesting and you learn a lot in the process. \r\n\r\nLet us know how it goes and we can coach you from there.\r\n\r\nLooking forward to hearing more.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: zimdownunder</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/913#comment-207768</link>
		<dc:creator>zimdownunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scotchart,

interesting info, on the aus platinum mines, if you have more info please share as  i would love to do something this side, even though i am student, i can get the students at UWA involved, as i know many zimbabweans and others who would get involved!!&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207768','zimdownunder'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207768','zimdownunder','Scotchart,\r\n\r\ninteresting info, on the aus platinum mines, if you have more info please share as  i would love to do something this side, even though i am student, i can get the students at UWA involved, as i know many zimbabweans and others who would get involved!!'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotchart,</p>
<p>interesting info, on the aus platinum mines, if you have more info please share as  i would love to do something this side, even though i am student, i can get the students at UWA involved, as i know many zimbabweans and others who would get involved!!
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		<title>By: scotchcart</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotchcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have had so many changes that I have lost track of how parliament and the President are supposed to work together.  It seemed irrelevant too when we were run by the central committee.

The reason why the leader of the opposition agreed to be PM in Kenya is because he then runs the cabinet and the President becomes more ceremonial.

The parliament cannot change the constitution, I suspect without 66% of the vote, which MDC doesn't have.

But if they have 50%+ then any budget - or act of parliament - can be stopped.  So everything has to be negotiated.  That happens in the States if the President is one party and the Congress/Senate are dominated by the other party.  

In NZ, the political system is such the winning party never has total control.  So they make deals with minor parties not to block the budget in exchange for cabinet positions.  One fellow has two odd portfolios - Minister of Horse Racing and Foreign Affairs - and he negotiated NOT to be in Cabinet.  There is complicated - he represents NZ abroad but does NOT represent the government and doesn't have to say he agrees with decisions he doesn't like!

It is time for us to pay attention.  The point is that the Central Committee is no longer in charge and we have to work out the rules that are good for Zimbabwe.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207766','scotchcart'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207766','scotchcart','We have had so many changes that I have lost track of how parliament and the President are supposed to work together.  It seemed irrelevant too when we were run by the central committee.\r\n\r\nThe reason why the leader of the opposition agreed to be PM in Kenya is because he then runs the cabinet and the President becomes more ceremonial.\r\n\r\nThe parliament cannot change the constitution, I suspect without 66% of the vote, which MDC doesn\'t have.\r\n\r\nBut if they have 50%+ then any budget - or act of parliament - can be stopped.  So everything has to be negotiated.  That happens in the States if the President is one party and the Congress\/Senate are dominated by the other party.  \r\n\r\nIn NZ, the political system is such the winning party never has total control.  So they make deals with minor parties not to block the budget in exchange for cabinet positions.  One fellow has two odd portfolios - Minister of Horse Racing and Foreign Affairs - and he negotiated NOT to be in Cabinet.  There is complicated - he represents NZ abroad but does NOT represent the government and doesn\'t have to say he agrees with decisions he doesn\'t like!\r\n\r\nIt is time for us to pay attention.  The point is that the Central Committee is no longer in charge and we have to work out the rules that are good for Zimbabwe.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have had so many changes that I have lost track of how parliament and the President are supposed to work together.  It seemed irrelevant too when we were run by the central committee.</p>
<p>The reason why the leader of the opposition agreed to be PM in Kenya is because he then runs the cabinet and the President becomes more ceremonial.</p>
<p>The parliament cannot change the constitution, I suspect without 66% of the vote, which MDC doesn&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>But if they have 50%+ then any budget - or act of parliament - can be stopped.  So everything has to be negotiated.  That happens in the States if the President is one party and the Congress/Senate are dominated by the other party.  </p>
<p>In NZ, the political system is such the winning party never has total control.  So they make deals with minor parties not to block the budget in exchange for cabinet positions.  One fellow has two odd portfolios - Minister of Horse Racing and Foreign Affairs - and he negotiated NOT to be in Cabinet.  There is complicated - he represents NZ abroad but does NOT represent the government and doesn&#8217;t have to say he agrees with decisions he doesn&#8217;t like!</p>
<p>It is time for us to pay attention.  The point is that the Central Committee is no longer in charge and we have to work out the rules that are good for Zimbabwe.
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		<title>By: True Grit</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Grit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take Malcolm's point about throwing in a red herring. But do you think that Mugabe could end up being hoisted by his own petard here? 

For example, What is the existing legislative power of the parliamentary majority to declare the presidential recount null and void due to failure to publish the actual results with which to compare it? And, if this power is not presently available to Parliament, surely the parliamentary assembly would have the ultimate power to change the Constitution to enable it to acquire this power?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207750','True Grit'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207750','True Grit','I take Malcolm\'s point about throwing in a red herring. But do you think that Mugabe could end up being hoisted by his own petard here? \r\n\r\nFor example, What is the existing legislative power of the parliamentary majority to declare the presidential recount null and void due to failure to publish the actual results with which to compare it? And, if this power is not presently available to Parliament, surely the parliamentary assembly would have the ultimate power to change the Constitution to enable it to acquire this power?'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take Malcolm&#8217;s point about throwing in a red herring. But do you think that Mugabe could end up being hoisted by his own petard here? </p>
<p>For example, What is the existing legislative power of the parliamentary majority to declare the presidential recount null and void due to failure to publish the actual results with which to compare it? And, if this power is not presently available to Parliament, surely the parliamentary assembly would have the ultimate power to change the Constitution to enable it to acquire this power?
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		<title>By: x soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>x soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why should you guys (soldiers)keep on killing our brother &#38;sisters ? I did that job for 6 yrs MUgabe was using us. the more u do that ,u make him a celebraty.  i'm not a killer . i left that job &#38; i'm in SOTH AFRICA&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207738','x soldier'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207738','x soldier','why should you guys (soldiers)keep on killing our brother &#38;amp;sisters ? I did that job for 6 yrs MUgabe was using us. the more u do that ,u make him a celebraty.  i\'m not a killer . i left that job &#38;amp; i\'m in SOTH AFRICA'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why should you guys (soldiers)keep on killing our brother &amp;sisters ? I did that job for 6 yrs MUgabe was using us. the more u do that ,u make him a celebraty.  i&#8217;m not a killer . i left that job &amp; i&#8217;m in SOTH AFRICA
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		<title>By: scotchcart</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotchcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Ants, keep an eye on this.  And Gweru people, you must have noticed this lot arriving?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207630','scotchcart'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207630','scotchcart','Yes, Ants, keep an eye on this.  And Gweru people, you must have noticed this lot arriving?'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Ants, keep an eye on this.  And Gweru people, you must have noticed this lot arriving?
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		<title>By: scotchcart</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotchcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any lawyer can pitch up for MRT.  And remember the results are on 
http://www.zimelectionresult.com
for all the world to see.

Yes the timing is to do with the UN Security Council meeting.  Mmm, we must keep thinking through the details.

This is good.  The old man and the JOC, who may be the real problem, are dancing to other people's tune.  Let's keep them dancing and dancing and dancing - oooo, that feels cruel!

Good, I'll put out comments on various columns to prime the pump.  How are they trying to influence the Security Council?  No one believes him anymore  - 28 days is just too too much.  They have beaten themselves with administrative ineptness.  Now to get them to go away.  So we must make it unprofitable to them to stay.

No guns! That makes it scary.
No banknotes.  I read that a Mercedes Benz costs them 25 pounds.  Someone check the calculation.
This is how it works - 25 pounds are sent home from London - current rate 300m to the pound. They go to Reserve Bank and buy at 30k - and they have 25 000 pounds!  See - that is what the bank notes support.  So we must stop the notes and stop money going into RB.

And stolen ivory - CITES. 

And the 1m pounds a month paid by Australian platinum mines direct to the President's office. Is that true?  Aussie based people protest in Aus.  Put it on Rudds new website where he collects ideas.  Link Rudd to China  . . he speaks Chinese fluently for everyone else's info.

There are only a few enablers left.  Like four legs on a table, if we knock out one, we are done. 

And don't forget things like world prayer day.  All the people in church go to work.  One piece of paper given to the right journalist is all we need.  We can't ask them to do it and they can't tell us.  If they are aware, they will just do it, quietly.  The leg will fall. We won't know how or why.  It will have been done by one small person somewhere.  Keep pressing.

Cheers&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207624','scotchcart'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207624','scotchcart','Any lawyer can pitch up for MRT.  And remember the results are on \r\nhttp:\/\/www.zimelectionresult.com\r\nfor all the world to see.\r\n\r\nYes the timing is to do with the UN Security Council meeting.  Mmm, we must keep thinking through the details.\r\n\r\nThis is good.  The old man and the JOC, who may be the real problem, are dancing to other people\'s tune.  Let\'s keep them dancing and dancing and dancing - oooo, that feels cruel!\r\n\r\nGood, I\'ll put out comments on various columns to prime the pump.  How are they trying to influence the Security Council?  No one believes him anymore  - 28 days is just too too much.  They have beaten themselves with administrative ineptness.  Now to get them to go away.  So we must make it unprofitable to them to stay.\r\n\r\nNo guns! That makes it scary.\r\nNo banknotes.  I read that a Mercedes Benz costs them 25 pounds.  Someone check the calculation.\r\nThis is how it works - 25 pounds are sent home from London - current rate 300m to the pound. They go to Reserve Bank and buy at 30k - and they have 25 000 pounds!  See - that is what the bank notes support.  So we must stop the notes and stop money going into RB.\r\n\r\nAnd stolen ivory - CITES. \r\n\r\nAnd the 1m pounds a month paid by Australian platinum mines direct to the President\'s office. Is that true?  Aussie based people protest in Aus.  Put it on Rudds new website where he collects ideas.  Link Rudd to China  . . he speaks Chinese fluently for everyone else\'s info.\r\n\r\nThere are only a few enablers left.  Like four legs on a table, if we knock out one, we are done. \r\n\r\nAnd don\'t forget things like world prayer day.  All the people in church go to work.  One piece of paper given to the right journalist is all we need.  We can\'t ask them to do it and they can\'t tell us.  If they are aware, they will just do it, quietly.  The leg will fall. We won\'t know how or why.  It will have been done by one small person somewhere.  Keep pressing.\r\n\r\nCheers'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any lawyer can pitch up for MRT.  And remember the results are on<br />
<a href="http://www.zimelectionresult.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.zimelectionresult.com</a><br />
for all the world to see.</p>
<p>Yes the timing is to do with the UN Security Council meeting.  Mmm, we must keep thinking through the details.</p>
<p>This is good.  The old man and the JOC, who may be the real problem, are dancing to other people&#8217;s tune.  Let&#8217;s keep them dancing and dancing and dancing - oooo, that feels cruel!</p>
<p>Good, I&#8217;ll put out comments on various columns to prime the pump.  How are they trying to influence the Security Council?  No one believes him anymore  - 28 days is just too too much.  They have beaten themselves with administrative ineptness.  Now to get them to go away.  So we must make it unprofitable to them to stay.</p>
<p>No guns! That makes it scary.<br />
No banknotes.  I read that a Mercedes Benz costs them 25 pounds.  Someone check the calculation.<br />
This is how it works - 25 pounds are sent home from London - current rate 300m to the pound. They go to Reserve Bank and buy at 30k - and they have 25 000 pounds!  See - that is what the bank notes support.  So we must stop the notes and stop money going into RB.</p>
<p>And stolen ivory - CITES. </p>
<p>And the 1m pounds a month paid by Australian platinum mines direct to the President&#8217;s office. Is that true?  Aussie based people protest in Aus.  Put it on Rudds new website where he collects ideas.  Link Rudd to China  . . he speaks Chinese fluently for everyone else&#8217;s info.</p>
<p>There are only a few enablers left.  Like four legs on a table, if we knock out one, we are done. </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget things like world prayer day.  All the people in church go to work.  One piece of paper given to the right journalist is all we need.  We can&#8217;t ask them to do it and they can&#8217;t tell us.  If they are aware, they will just do it, quietly.  The leg will fall. We won&#8217;t know how or why.  It will have been done by one small person somewhere.  Keep pressing.</p>
<p>Cheers
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207624','scotchcart'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207624','scotchcart','Any lawyer can pitch up for MRT.  And remember the results are on \r\nhttp:\/\/www.zimelectionresult.com\r\nfor all the world to see.\r\n\r\nYes the timing is to do with the UN Security Council meeting.  Mmm, we must keep thinking through the details.\r\n\r\nThis is good.  The old man and the JOC, who may be the real problem, are dancing to other people\'s tune.  Let\'s keep them dancing and dancing and dancing - oooo, that feels cruel!\r\n\r\nGood, I\'ll put out comments on various columns to prime the pump.  How are they trying to influence the Security Council?  No one believes him anymore  - 28 days is just too too much.  They have beaten themselves with administrative ineptness.  Now to get them to go away.  So we must make it unprofitable to them to stay.\r\n\r\nNo guns! That makes it scary.\r\nNo banknotes.  I read that a Mercedes Benz costs them 25 pounds.  Someone check the calculation.\r\nThis is how it works - 25 pounds are sent home from London - current rate 300m to the pound. They go to Reserve Bank and buy at 30k - and they have 25 000 pounds!  See - that is what the bank notes support.  So we must stop the notes and stop money going into RB.\r\n\r\nAnd stolen ivory - CITES. \r\n\r\nAnd the 1m pounds a month paid by Australian platinum mines direct to the President\'s office. Is that true?  Aussie based people protest in Aus.  Put it on Rudds new website where he collects ideas.  Link Rudd to China  . . he speaks Chinese fluently for everyone else\'s info.\r\n\r\nThere are only a few enablers left.  Like four legs on a table, if we knock out one, we are done. \r\n\r\nAnd don\'t forget things like world prayer day.  All the people in church go to work.  One piece of paper given to the right journalist is all we need.  We can\'t ask them to do it and they can\'t tell us.  If they are aware, they will just do it, quietly.  The leg will fall. We won\'t know how or why.  It will have been done by one small person somewhere.  Keep pressing.\r\n\r\nCheers'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ants.

Does the term 'Blood Diamonds' spring to mind? Look to Joice 'Taylor' and Solomon 'Burton' and their contacts.

Interestingly, the Cooperative Bank here in UK are flighting an ad in which they proudly claim to have refused substantial loans which would otherwise have been counter to human rights issues. The other side of the coin is therefore which banks ARE providing the loans refused by Cooperative Bank. Anyone recall which British bank it was that in 2007 was found to be bankrolling Bob, and what was the outcome?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207579','Malcolm'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207579','Malcolm','Ants.\r\n\r\nDoes the term \'Blood Diamonds\' spring to mind? Look to Joice \'Taylor\' and Solomon \'Burton\' and their contacts.\r\n\r\nInterestingly, the Cooperative Bank here in UK are flighting an ad in which they proudly claim to have refused substantial loans which would otherwise have been counter to human rights issues. The other side of the coin is therefore which banks ARE providing the loans refused by Cooperative Bank. Anyone recall which British bank it was that in 2007 was found to be bankrolling Bob, and what was the outcome?'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ants.</p>
<p>Does the term &#8216;Blood Diamonds&#8217; spring to mind? Look to Joice &#8216;Taylor&#8217; and Solomon &#8216;Burton&#8217; and their contacts.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the Cooperative Bank here in UK are flighting an ad in which they proudly claim to have refused substantial loans which would otherwise have been counter to human rights issues. The other side of the coin is therefore which banks ARE providing the loans refused by Cooperative Bank. Anyone recall which British bank it was that in 2007 was found to be bankrolling Bob, and what was the outcome?
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		<title>By: Ants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right Malcom - don't underestimate Houdini Mugabe yet.  He's bound to be plotting something nobody ever imagined in the dark and wily recesses of his brain.

Meanwhile - anybody heard the vague rumour about the financial deals being offered by Mad Bob to ANC bigwigs who support him (any names spring to mind?) &#38; the mystery flight out of Lanseria, Jhb to Thornhill, Gweru recently with some ANC bigwigs aboard?  What might the reasons be?  What about to look over some prospective bribes in the form of mining or safari options?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207461','Ants'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207461','Ants','Quite right Malcom - don\'t underestimate Houdini Mugabe yet.  He\'s bound to be plotting something nobody ever imagined in the dark and wily recesses of his brain.\r\n\r\nMeanwhile - anybody heard the vague rumour about the financial deals being offered by Mad Bob to ANC bigwigs who support him (any names spring to mind?) &#38;amp; the mystery flight out of Lanseria, Jhb to Thornhill, Gweru recently with some ANC bigwigs aboard?  What might the reasons be?  What about to look over some prospective bribes in the form of mining or safari options?'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right Malcom - don&#8217;t underestimate Houdini Mugabe yet.  He&#8217;s bound to be plotting something nobody ever imagined in the dark and wily recesses of his brain.</p>
<p>Meanwhile - anybody heard the vague rumour about the financial deals being offered by Mad Bob to ANC bigwigs who support him (any names spring to mind?) &amp; the mystery flight out of Lanseria, Jhb to Thornhill, Gweru recently with some ANC bigwigs aboard?  What might the reasons be?  What about to look over some prospective bribes in the form of mining or safari options?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207461','Ants'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207461','Ants','Quite right Malcom - don\'t underestimate Houdini Mugabe yet.  He\'s bound to be plotting something nobody ever imagined in the dark and wily recesses of his brain.\r\n\r\nMeanwhile - anybody heard the vague rumour about the financial deals being offered by Mad Bob to ANC bigwigs who support him (any names spring to mind?) &amp;amp; the mystery flight out of Lanseria, Jhb to Thornhill, Gweru recently with some ANC bigwigs aboard?  What might the reasons be?  What about to look over some prospective bribes in the form of mining or safari options?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: BeeSA</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeeSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better skeptical than delusional. Yes I agree, take nothing as truth until it's declared as official because Mugabe is capable of anything at any point.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207396','BeeSA'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207396','BeeSA','Better skeptical than delusional. Yes I agree, take nothing as truth until it\'s declared as official because Mugabe is capable of anything at any point.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better skeptical than delusional. Yes I agree, take nothing as truth until it&#8217;s declared as official because Mugabe is capable of anything at any point.
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely think something is cooking. this is Zanu PF we are dealing with here. Why order a partial recount for presidential results which have not been announced at least the parliamentary results had been announced before the recount. The suffering Zimbabweans just hope that ZANU PF respects the will of the people and ZEC does not bow to pressure&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207373','joe'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207373','joe','I definitely think something is cooking. this is Zanu PF we are dealing with here. Why order a partial recount for presidential results which have not been announced at least the parliamentary results had been announced before the recount. The suffering Zimbabweans just hope that ZANU PF respects the will of the people and ZEC does not bow to pressure'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely think something is cooking. this is Zanu PF we are dealing with here. Why order a partial recount for presidential results which have not been announced at least the parliamentary results had been announced before the recount. The suffering Zimbabweans just hope that ZANU PF respects the will of the people and ZEC does not bow to pressure
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		<title>By: wyclif</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyclif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shuvai Mahofa bye u can now go till the land .Lets support academics like Mukonoweshuro for the devepment of Gutu south constituency&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207338','wyclif'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207338','wyclif','Shuvai Mahofa bye u can now go till the land .Lets support academics like Mukonoweshuro for the devepment of Gutu south constituency'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shuvai Mahofa bye u can now go till the land .Lets support academics like Mukonoweshuro for the devepment of Gutu south constituency
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		<title>By: Chinja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chinja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm X

I have the same suspicion as you as soon as I heard the results of the recount.

Mugabe is making the process look transparent and then he is going to pull the rug.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207282','Chinja'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207282','Chinja','Malcolm X\r\n\r\nI have the same suspicion as you as soon as I heard the results of the recount.\r\n\r\nMugabe is making the process look transparent and then he is going to pull the rug.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm X</p>
<p>I have the same suspicion as you as soon as I heard the results of the recount.</p>
<p>Mugabe is making the process look transparent and then he is going to pull the rug.
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just been catching up on BBC. Chiweshe is reported as saying presidential results likely to be known on Monday. He further mentions that presidential candidates or their agents will be expected to be present to compare and/or present results they gathered from polling stations. Then we all know about the recent raids.

Mugabe will undoubtedly throw in some red herring on Monday, ahead of the UN discussions on Tuesday, which will probably be aimed at putting UN delegates on the back foot.

With the MDC treason accusation, how will their presidential candidate, or even their agent turn up to argue their point on the supposed presidential results. Will their possible non-appearance, for fear of apprehension, somehow adversly affect some other nit-picking legal clause?

Then the raids. ZANU(PF) falsify documents left right and centre. Who knows what info they have got, or claim to have got from seized documents and data. They can quite easily doctor MDC documents, and when MDC present the originals (which presumably they had externalised before now) ZANU(PF) will claim THEM to be falsified by MDC in an effort to protect themselves from the 'original' damning 'evidence' ZANU(PF) has to hand (are you managing to follow this!)

Lies within lies and subterfuge piled atop deception. In an tangled web with no recognised form or pattern, you never know from which direction the spider comes.

(ps exit the X... it was an error on my part)&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207143','Malcolm'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207143','Malcolm','Just been catching up on BBC. Chiweshe is reported as saying presidential results likely to be known on Monday. He further mentions that presidential candidates or their agents will be expected to be present to compare and\/or present results they gathered from polling stations. Then we all know about the recent raids.\r\n\r\nMugabe will undoubtedly throw in some red herring on Monday, ahead of the UN discussions on Tuesday, which will probably be aimed at putting UN delegates on the back foot.\r\n\r\nWith the MDC treason accusation, how will their presidential candidate, or even their agent turn up to argue their point on the supposed presidential results. Will their possible non-appearance, for fear of apprehension, somehow adversly affect some other nit-picking legal clause?\r\n\r\nThen the raids. ZANU(PF) falsify documents left right and centre. Who knows what info they have got, or claim to have got from seized documents and data. They can quite easily doctor MDC documents, and when MDC present the originals (which presumably they had externalised before now) ZANU(PF) will claim THEM to be falsified by MDC in an effort to protect themselves from the \'original\' damning \'evidence\' ZANU(PF) has to hand (are you managing to follow this!)\r\n\r\nLies within lies and subterfuge piled atop deception. In an tangled web with no recognised form or pattern, you never know from which direction the spider comes.\r\n\r\n(ps exit the X... it was an error on my part)'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just been catching up on BBC. Chiweshe is reported as saying presidential results likely to be known on Monday. He further mentions that presidential candidates or their agents will be expected to be present to compare and/or present results they gathered from polling stations. Then we all know about the recent raids.</p>
<p>Mugabe will undoubtedly throw in some red herring on Monday, ahead of the UN discussions on Tuesday, which will probably be aimed at putting UN delegates on the back foot.</p>
<p>With the MDC treason accusation, how will their presidential candidate, or even their agent turn up to argue their point on the supposed presidential results. Will their possible non-appearance, for fear of apprehension, somehow adversly affect some other nit-picking legal clause?</p>
<p>Then the raids. ZANU(PF) falsify documents left right and centre. Who knows what info they have got, or claim to have got from seized documents and data. They can quite easily doctor MDC documents, and when MDC present the originals (which presumably they had externalised before now) ZANU(PF) will claim THEM to be falsified by MDC in an effort to protect themselves from the &#8216;original&#8217; damning &#8216;evidence&#8217; ZANU(PF) has to hand (are you managing to follow this!)</p>
<p>Lies within lies and subterfuge piled atop deception. In an tangled web with no recognised form or pattern, you never know from which direction the spider comes.</p>
<p>(ps exit the X&#8230; it was an error on my part)
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207143','Malcolm'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207143','Malcolm','Just been catching up on BBC. Chiweshe is reported as saying presidential results likely to be known on Monday. He further mentions that presidential candidates or their agents will be expected to be present to compare and\/or present results they gathered from polling stations. Then we all know about the recent raids.\r\n\r\nMugabe will undoubtedly throw in some red herring on Monday, ahead of the UN discussions on Tuesday, which will probably be aimed at putting UN delegates on the back foot.\r\n\r\nWith the MDC treason accusation, how will their presidential candidate, or even their agent turn up to argue their point on the supposed presidential results. Will their possible non-appearance, for fear of apprehension, somehow adversly affect some other nit-picking legal clause?\r\n\r\nThen the raids. ZANU(PF) falsify documents left right and centre. Who knows what info they have got, or claim to have got from seized documents and data. They can quite easily doctor MDC documents, and when MDC present the originals (which presumably they had externalised before now) ZANU(PF) will claim THEM to be falsified by MDC in an effort to protect themselves from the \'original\' damning \'evidence\' ZANU(PF) has to hand (are you managing to follow this!)\r\n\r\nLies within lies and subterfuge piled atop deception. In an tangled web with no recognised form or pattern, you never know from which direction the spider comes.\r\n\r\n(ps exit the X... it was an error on my part)'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: BM</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/913#comment-207114</link>
		<dc:creator>BM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone got the actual recount figures? Will Sokwanele be posting them alongside the original legal counts? Some results show increase in the number of votes. Zvimba North has: 
+556 votes for senate in recount
+140 votes in parliament seats

If this creeping in the total votes appears in other constituencies then there will be an increase in the number of presidential votes which may be the plan?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207114','BM'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207114','BM','Has anyone got the actual recount figures? Will Sokwanele be posting them alongside the original legal counts? Some results show increase in the number of votes. Zvimba North has: \r\n+556 votes for senate in recount\r\n+140 votes in parliament seats\r\n\r\nIf this creeping in the total votes appears in other constituencies then there will be an increase in the number of presidential votes which may be the plan?'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone got the actual recount figures? Will Sokwanele be posting them alongside the original legal counts? Some results show increase in the number of votes. Zvimba North has:<br />
+556 votes for senate in recount<br />
+140 votes in parliament seats</p>
<p>If this creeping in the total votes appears in other constituencies then there will be an increase in the number of presidential votes which may be the plan?
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		<title>By: Sokwanele</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/913#comment-207087</link>
		<dc:creator>Sokwanele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with you Malcolm ... I never ever assume its over. Something's going on.

Hope&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207087','Sokwanele'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207087','Sokwanele','I\'m with you Malcolm ... I never ever assume its over. Something\'s going on.\r\n\r\nHope'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Malcolm &#8230; I never ever assume its over. Something&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>Hope
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		<title>By: Malcolm X</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/913#comment-207083</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware of the euphoria. In reality Mugabe can subvert parliament through the senate, of which he would have the majority support through presidential apointments. I suspect everything around these re-counts and especially this final outcome is to set up a credibility scam for the all important presidential results. Mugabe has quite possibly sacrificed the parliament results to whitewash the doctored presidential result. Or am I being too sceptical?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('207083','Malcolm X'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('207083','Malcolm X','Beware of the euphoria. In reality Mugabe can subvert parliament through the senate, of which he would have the majority support through presidential apointments. I suspect everything around these re-counts and especially this final outcome is to set up a credibility scam for the all important presidential results. Mugabe has quite possibly sacrificed the parliament results to whitewash the doctored presidential result. Or am I being too sceptical?'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of the euphoria. In reality Mugabe can subvert parliament through the senate, of which he would have the majority support through presidential apointments. I suspect everything around these re-counts and especially this final outcome is to set up a credibility scam for the all important presidential results. Mugabe has quite possibly sacrificed the parliament results to whitewash the doctored presidential result. Or am I being too sceptical?
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		<title>By: scotchcart</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/913#comment-206612</link>
		<dc:creator>scotchcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoopee! And hats off to original ZEC officals, agents, etc who obviously did a good job.

And to the current officials who didn't buckle!  I salute you!

Big changes in Masvingo hey!&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('206612','scotchcart'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('206612','scotchcart','Whoopee! And hats off to original ZEC officals, agents, etc who obviously did a good job.\r\n\r\nAnd to the current officials who didn\'t buckle!  I salute you!\r\n\r\nBig changes in Masvingo hey!'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoopee! And hats off to original ZEC officals, agents, etc who obviously did a good job.</p>
<p>And to the current officials who didn&#8217;t buckle!  I salute you!</p>
<p>Big changes in Masvingo hey!
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