Comments on: The MDC have reunited http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:38:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-212636 4th Chimurenga Thu, 01 May 2008 15:14:34 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-212636 @ NOXOLO I feel sorry for you because you wish university life to be worse. You should know that if you want to be capped by Mugabe then.. 1... No more grants 2....No more lecturers therefore your degree lacks value 3...Continous strikes by staff 4..Continous students riots 5...No subsidised food on campus 6....Deteriorated standards of degrees due to poor research (especially on technical degrees) 7.Where will you work with your degree?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('212636','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('212636','4th Chimurenga','@ NOXOLO\r\nI feel sorry for you because you wish university life to be worse. You should know that if you want to be capped by Mugabe then..\r\n1... No more grants\r\n2....No more lecturers therefore your degree lacks value\r\n3...Continous strikes by staff\r\n4..Continous students riots\r\n5...No subsidised food on campus\r\n6....Deteriorated standards of degrees due to poor research (especially on technical degrees)\r\n7.Where will you work with your degree?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> @ NOXOLO
I feel sorry for you because you wish university life to be worse. You should know that if you want to be capped by Mugabe then..
1… No more grants
2….No more lecturers therefore your degree lacks value
3…Continous strikes by staff
4..Continous students riots
5…No subsidised food on campus
6….Deteriorated standards of degrees due to poor research (especially on technical degrees)
7.Where will you work with your degree?
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-212534 4th Chimurenga Thu, 01 May 2008 13:36:52 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-212534 Is the development that MDC has united still unknown to state media. I am learning from Herald that it is still referring to factions of the MDC until now? I guess they were working on a divide and rule strategy so its difficult for them to swallow the good news (bad news to them). Who knows anyone working for Herald,Chronicle,ZBC? Are those people normal? Are the journalists employed on merit?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('212534','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('212534','4th Chimurenga','Is the development that MDC has united still unknown to state media. I am learning from Herald that it is still referring to factions of the MDC until now? I guess they were working on a divide and rule strategy so its difficult for them to swallow the good news (bad news to them). Who knows anyone working for Herald,Chronicle,ZBC? Are those people normal? Are the journalists employed on merit?'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Is the development that MDC has united still unknown to state media. I am learning from Herald that it is still referring to factions of the MDC until now? I guess they were working on a divide and rule strategy so its difficult for them to swallow the good news (bad news to them). Who knows anyone working for Herald,Chronicle,ZBC? Are those people normal? Are the journalists employed on merit?
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]]> By: noxolo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-212528 noxolo Thu, 01 May 2008 13:32:03 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-212528 Tsvangirai should just quit politics,he is pathetic.Im a university student and i cannot imagine him capping me in the year 2011.At least he is the second offering after Mugabe.I cannot wait for his press conference at 4pm today.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('212528','noxolo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('212528','noxolo','Tsvangirai should just quit politics,he is pathetic.Im a university student and i cannot imagine him capping me in the year 2011.At least he is the second offering after Mugabe.I cannot wait for his press conference at 4pm today.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Tsvangirai should just quit politics,he is pathetic.Im a university student and i cannot imagine him capping me in the year 2011.At least he is the second offering after Mugabe.I cannot wait for his press conference at 4pm today.
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-212500 4th Chimurenga Thu, 01 May 2008 13:13:03 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-212500 Something is definitely wrong in African politics. This issue of reconciliation comes each time people want a revolution. This used to work in ancient politics but now the effects are only short term... If Mugabe is let go off his crimes against humanity, what will stop Tsvangirai from committing similar offences and get away through reconciliation?? But if Mugabe is set as an example never to undermine the will and life of Zimbabaweans then every leader after him will never attempt to kill...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('212500','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('212500','4th Chimurenga','Something is definitely wrong in African politics. This issue of reconciliation comes each time people want a revolution. This used to work in ancient politics but now the effects are only short term... If Mugabe is let go off his crimes against humanity, what will stop Tsvangirai from committing similar offences and get away through reconciliation?? But if Mugabe is set as an example never to undermine the will and life of Zimbabaweans then every leader after him will never attempt to kill...'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Something is definitely wrong in African politics. This issue of reconciliation comes each time people want a revolution. This used to work in ancient politics but now the effects are only short term… If Mugabe is let go off his crimes against humanity, what will stop Tsvangirai from committing similar offences and get away through reconciliation?? But if Mugabe is set as an example never to undermine the will and life of Zimbabaweans then every leader after him will never attempt to kill…
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]]> By: jassy http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-212392 jassy Thu, 01 May 2008 11:39:22 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-212392 SCOTCHCART (CHIKOCHIKARI!) Mwana wekumusha you wrote like you were reading my mind. Indeed the ZanuPF gang are in a quagmire. There is nowhere to run. Each tries to imagine what is gonna happen to them when MDC is in control. To an extend I do feel sorry for them. But the fact of the matter is there is no excuse for the atrocities they committed. Of course they always thought ZanuPF would always be there to provide them with a sanctuary but now reality is sinking in. In their hearts they know they are not included in the future plans of Zimbabwe. But they have got only themselves to blame because we gave them almost thirty years to prove themselves and boy did they show us how they could harass, oppress, suppress, and undress us. ZanuPF has killed so many innocent people that chances of these guys ever sleeping peacefully at night are slightly less than zero. Added to that is the likelihood that their remaining days on earth will be spent travelling between the High Court and Chikurubi Maximum Prison. All those who were beaten, tortured, maimed, killed, raped, or imprisoned deserve to be avenged. There is nowhere to run and Mugabe, Mnangagwa, and company better know that judgement cometh and it cometh early. Just imagining the reality of a Zimbabwe without this mafia gives me an ear-to-ear smile. I have waited all my life for this moment. I was beginning to think Mugabe was gonna outlive me the way he outlived many of my friends and relatives, but not this time. I have shed so many tears because of this guy that I was starting to question the existence of God. Well, in the end prayers of the suffering but voiceless get answered. And this ultimately brings us to the issue you mention of rebuilding Zimbabwe. This part of the struggle will take more than words. True committement is required because it's not gonna be easy. A lot will be required of the people currently in the diaspora because they have been exposed to morden economic ideas. Some have been furthering their education and training in preparation for this period. Most of the Zimbabweans I've been priviledged to meet while studying here in the UK have shown me great desire to return home and rebuild their motherland. As you rightly say, Zimbabweans, though slightly laid back, are a talented bunch. I have been here in the UK since 2000 and got to meet people from other African countries and I never stopped marvelling at the way we Zimbabweans are streets ahead. It is this fact that gives me hope that if we come together and put our minds to it, rebuilding this country is gonna take less time than predicted. With people like you, and me, and all these positive thinking vana vevhu on this fora, nothing is impossible. My prayer is when the moment comes please let's not forget those who have been disadvantaged by the regime. Some have lost their parents, relatives, and children. Some are now disabled and will not be able to fend for themselves again. Some have been displaced and have nowhere to live. Some children will need foster parents who will in turn need financial and moral support to bring up these kids. All this is gonna test the moral, humane, and financial capacity of the new set-up and this my friend will be the first test for Tsvangirai. Less talk and more action is required. The cabinet must be kept small but effective. No use having 30 mercedes benzes following each other to open a clinic in Chitungwiza when families have no water in Matebeleland. By the way I'm Chitungwiza born and bred. I have been away for so long that the day Tsvangirai becomes president, I'm out of here. How I miss "Garisanai 4-4 vabereki" "One ari ega Makoni nepakati" "PamaHumps blazo" "PamaCorner shops conductor" There is no place like home. I love Zimbabwe!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('212392','jassy'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('212392','jassy','SCOTCHCART (CHIKOCHIKARI!)\r\nMwana wekumusha you wrote like you were reading my mind. Indeed the ZanuPF gang are in a quagmire. There is nowhere to run. Each tries to imagine what is gonna happen to them when MDC is in control. To an extend I do feel sorry for them. But the fact of the matter is there is no excuse for the atrocities they committed. Of course they always thought ZanuPF would always be there to provide them with a sanctuary but now reality is sinking in. In their hearts they know they are not included in the future plans of Zimbabwe. \r\nBut they have got only themselves to blame because we gave them almost thirty years to prove themselves and boy did they show us how they could harass, oppress, suppress, and undress us. ZanuPF has killed so many innocent people that chances of these guys ever sleeping peacefully at night are slightly less than zero. Added to that is the likelihood that their remaining days on earth will be spent travelling between the High Court and Chikurubi Maximum Prison. All those who were beaten, tortured, maimed, killed, raped, or imprisoned deserve to be avenged. There is nowhere to run and Mugabe, Mnangagwa, and company better know that judgement cometh and it cometh early. Just imagining the reality of a Zimbabwe without this mafia gives me an ear-to-ear smile. I have waited all my life for this moment. I was beginning to think Mugabe was gonna outlive me the way he outlived many of my friends and relatives, but not this time. I have shed so many tears because of this guy that I was starting to question the existence of God. Well, in the end prayers of the suffering but voiceless get answered. And this ultimately brings us to the issue you mention of rebuilding Zimbabwe. This part of the struggle will take more than words. True committement is required because it\'s not gonna be easy. A lot will be required of the people currently in the diaspora because they have been exposed to morden economic ideas. Some have been furthering their education and training in preparation for this period. Most of the Zimbabweans I\'ve been priviledged to meet while studying here in the UK have shown me great desire to return home and rebuild their motherland. As you rightly say, Zimbabweans, though slightly laid back, are a talented bunch. I have been here in the UK since 2000 and got to meet people from other African countries and I never stopped marvelling at the way we Zimbabweans are streets ahead. It is this fact that gives me hope that if we come together and put our minds to it, rebuilding this country is gonna take less time than predicted. With people like you, and me, and all these positive thinking vana vevhu on this fora, nothing is impossible. My prayer is when the moment comes please let\'s not forget those who have been disadvantaged by the regime. Some have lost their parents, relatives, and children. Some are now disabled and will not be able to fend for themselves again. Some have been displaced and have nowhere to live. Some children will need foster parents who will in turn need financial and moral support to bring up these kids. All this is gonna test the moral, humane, and financial capacity of the new set-up and this my friend will be the first test for Tsvangirai. Less talk and more action is required. The cabinet must be kept small but effective. No use having 30 mercedes benzes following each other to open a clinic in Chitungwiza when families have no water in Matebeleland. By the way I\'m Chitungwiza born and bred. I have been away for so long that the day Tsvangirai becomes president, I\'m out of here. How I miss \"Garisanai 4-4 vabereki\" \"One ari ega Makoni nepakati\" \"PamaHumps blazo\" \"PamaCorner shops conductor\" There is no place like home. I love Zimbabwe!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> SCOTCHCART (CHIKOCHIKARI!)
Mwana wekumusha you wrote like you were reading my mind. Indeed the ZanuPF gang are in a quagmire. There is nowhere to run. Each tries to imagine what is gonna happen to them when MDC is in control. To an extend I do feel sorry for them. But the fact of the matter is there is no excuse for the atrocities they committed. Of course they always thought ZanuPF would always be there to provide them with a sanctuary but now reality is sinking in. In their hearts they know they are not included in the future plans of Zimbabwe.
But they have got only themselves to blame because we gave them almost thirty years to prove themselves and boy did they show us how they could harass, oppress, suppress, and undress us. ZanuPF has killed so many innocent people that chances of these guys ever sleeping peacefully at night are slightly less than zero. Added to that is the likelihood that their remaining days on earth will be spent travelling between the High Court and Chikurubi Maximum Prison. All those who were beaten, tortured, maimed, killed, raped, or imprisoned deserve to be avenged. There is nowhere to run and Mugabe, Mnangagwa, and company better know that judgement cometh and it cometh early. Just imagining the reality of a Zimbabwe without this mafia gives me an ear-to-ear smile. I have waited all my life for this moment. I was beginning to think Mugabe was gonna outlive me the way he outlived many of my friends and relatives, but not this time. I have shed so many tears because of this guy that I was starting to question the existence of God. Well, in the end prayers of the suffering but voiceless get answered. And this ultimately brings us to the issue you mention of rebuilding Zimbabwe. This part of the struggle will take more than words. True committement is required because it’s not gonna be easy. A lot will be required of the people currently in the diaspora because they have been exposed to morden economic ideas. Some have been furthering their education and training in preparation for this period. Most of the Zimbabweans I’ve been priviledged to meet while studying here in the UK have shown me great desire to return home and rebuild their motherland. As you rightly say, Zimbabweans, though slightly laid back, are a talented bunch. I have been here in the UK since 2000 and got to meet people from other African countries and I never stopped marvelling at the way we Zimbabweans are streets ahead. It is this fact that gives me hope that if we come together and put our minds to it, rebuilding this country is gonna take less time than predicted. With people like you, and me, and all these positive thinking vana vevhu on this fora, nothing is impossible. My prayer is when the moment comes please let’s not forget those who have been disadvantaged by the regime. Some have lost their parents, relatives, and children. Some are now disabled and will not be able to fend for themselves again. Some have been displaced and have nowhere to live. Some children will need foster parents who will in turn need financial and moral support to bring up these kids. All this is gonna test the moral, humane, and financial capacity of the new set-up and this my friend will be the first test for Tsvangirai. Less talk and more action is required. The cabinet must be kept small but effective. No use having 30 mercedes benzes following each other to open a clinic in Chitungwiza when families have no water in Matebeleland. By the way I’m Chitungwiza born and bred. I have been away for so long that the day Tsvangirai becomes president, I’m out of here. How I miss “Garisanai 4-4 vabereki” “One ari ega Makoni nepakati” “PamaHumps blazo” “PamaCorner shops conductor” There is no place like home. I love Zimbabwe!
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]]> By: scotchcart http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211834 scotchcart Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:05:58 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211834 Me too Jassy. There is going to be heaps to do and we need a positive road map. Some people may want/need to go a justice route. So be it. That's for lawyers etc. Personally, I want to be on the rebuilding side. I want to see schools, hospitals, businesses. I want to see people 'making plans' they can actually do something about. And the truth is I don't hate ZanuPF. I sort of see where they are coming from. I feel very sorry for people who got swept up in this and got violent. How will they live with themselves? What do they think? What do they tell their children? Where do they run and hide? They will live in torment. And that I am afraid is for priests and n'anga. These poor people will need to make their peace with their consciences and with people they hurt. I hope they find a way otherwise they will be miserable for ever - more than their victims. For people who have died, I will help rebuild Zimbabwe in their memory. When I am tired, I will do 5 minutes more work so their death was not in vain. I am not theorizing here guys - this is personal for me. For people, whose education and life was disrupted, I will delay what I am doing for a few minutes to think - could I do something different to help them get going again? I know some people will think I am hopelessly romantic - but so be it. I can't waste my life in hate. The world is a big place and we need every Zimbabwean working for Zimbabwe. We need to trust each other enough to sit down and have our quarrels peacefully in a 'dare', come to an agreement, move on, and reconvene later to reassess. Otherwise we will be eaten up by these big powers. We are a talented people - a little too laid back maybe - but that is also what people like about us. So let's go for it! Tomorrow is the big day. Magic arithmetic! Let's see. Keep safe guys. Your first job is to keep safe. Then to smile. When we smile, we get creative!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211834','scotchcart'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211834','scotchcart','Me too Jassy. There is going to be heaps to do and we need a positive road map.\r\n\r\nSome people may want\/need to go a justice route. So be it. That\'s for lawyers etc.\r\n\r\nPersonally, I want to be on the rebuilding side. I want to see schools, hospitals, businesses. I want to see people \'making plans\' they can actually do something about.\r\n\r\nAnd the truth is I don\'t hate ZanuPF. I sort of see where they are coming from. \r\n\r\nI feel very sorry for people who got swept up in this and got violent. How will they live with themselves? What do they think? What do they tell their children? Where do they run and hide? They will live in torment. And that I am afraid is for priests and n\'anga. These poor people will need to make their peace with their consciences and with people they hurt. I hope they find a way otherwise they will be miserable for ever - more than their victims.\r\n\r\nFor people who have died, I will help rebuild Zimbabwe in their memory. When I am tired, I will do 5 minutes more work so their death was not in vain. I am not theorizing here guys - this is personal for me.\r\n\r\nFor people, whose education and life was disrupted, I will delay what I am doing for a few minutes to think - could I do something different to help them get going again?\r\n\r\nI know some people will think I am hopelessly romantic - but so be it. I can\'t waste my life in hate. The world is a big place and we need every Zimbabwean working for Zimbabwe. We need to trust each other enough to sit down and have our quarrels peacefully in a \'dare\', come to an agreement, move on, and reconvene later to reassess. Otherwise we will be eaten up by these big powers.\r\n\r\nWe are a talented people - a little too laid back maybe - but that is also what people like about us. So let\'s go for it! \r\n\r\nTomorrow is the big day. Magic arithmetic! Let\'s see. \r\n\r\nKeep safe guys. Your first job is to keep safe. Then to smile. When we smile, we get creative!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Me too Jassy. There is going to be heaps to do and we need a positive road map.

Some people may want/need to go a justice route. So be it. That’s for lawyers etc.

Personally, I want to be on the rebuilding side. I want to see schools, hospitals, businesses. I want to see people ‘making plans’ they can actually do something about.

And the truth is I don’t hate ZanuPF. I sort of see where they are coming from.

I feel very sorry for people who got swept up in this and got violent. How will they live with themselves? What do they think? What do they tell their children? Where do they run and hide? They will live in torment. And that I am afraid is for priests and n’anga. These poor people will need to make their peace with their consciences and with people they hurt. I hope they find a way otherwise they will be miserable for ever - more than their victims.

For people who have died, I will help rebuild Zimbabwe in their memory. When I am tired, I will do 5 minutes more work so their death was not in vain. I am not theorizing here guys - this is personal for me.

For people, whose education and life was disrupted, I will delay what I am doing for a few minutes to think - could I do something different to help them get going again?

I know some people will think I am hopelessly romantic - but so be it. I can’t waste my life in hate. The world is a big place and we need every Zimbabwean working for Zimbabwe. We need to trust each other enough to sit down and have our quarrels peacefully in a ‘dare’, come to an agreement, move on, and reconvene later to reassess. Otherwise we will be eaten up by these big powers.

We are a talented people - a little too laid back maybe - but that is also what people like about us. So let’s go for it!

Tomorrow is the big day. Magic arithmetic! Let’s see.

Keep safe guys. Your first job is to keep safe. Then to smile. When we smile, we get creative!

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]]> By: jassy http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211774 jassy Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:09:06 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211774 Well guys, I guess you are right. Could be that Zanu PF has always been an evil institution, but with a few good guys too few to influence and bring sanity to the grouping. Nevertheless, the main issue of my message was that we must not dwell on what was but rather start working on the future of our country right away. The fact that the majority of the people share a common hatred for Mugabe and Zanu PF should unite and inspire us to work harder and rebuild this beautiful country. I hope the two MDCs realise that more can be achieved from truly uniting and putting an end to the suffering inflicted upon the people by Zanu PF. Hopefully the new government will rejoin the commonwealth because many people have suffered due to Mugabe's morbid decision to leave the club. I guess it was so he could do all the evil his heart desireth without fear of being discovered. I hope Tsvangirai also realises that people cannot be taken for granted.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211774','jassy'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211774','jassy','Well guys, I guess you are right. Could be that Zanu PF has always been an evil institution, but with a few good guys too few to influence and bring sanity to the grouping. \r\nNevertheless, the main issue of my message was that we must not dwell on what was but rather start working on the future of our country right away. The fact that the majority of the people share a common hatred for Mugabe and Zanu PF should unite and inspire us to work harder and rebuild this beautiful country. I hope the two MDCs realise that more can be achieved from truly uniting and putting an end to the suffering inflicted upon the people by Zanu PF. Hopefully the new government will rejoin the commonwealth because many people have suffered due to Mugabe\'s morbid decision to leave the club. I guess it was so he could do all the evil his heart desireth without fear of being discovered. I hope Tsvangirai also realises that people cannot be taken for granted.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Well guys, I guess you are right. Could be that Zanu PF has always been an evil institution, but with a few good guys too few to influence and bring sanity to the grouping.
Nevertheless, the main issue of my message was that we must not dwell on what was but rather start working on the future of our country right away. The fact that the majority of the people share a common hatred for Mugabe and Zanu PF should unite and inspire us to work harder and rebuild this beautiful country. I hope the two MDCs realise that more can be achieved from truly uniting and putting an end to the suffering inflicted upon the people by Zanu PF. Hopefully the new government will rejoin the commonwealth because many people have suffered due to Mugabe’s morbid decision to leave the club. I guess it was so he could do all the evil his heart desireth without fear of being discovered. I hope Tsvangirai also realises that people cannot be taken for granted.
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]]> By: Van (or mutli-post CC) http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211522 Van (or mutli-post CC) Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:20:42 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211522 I think that the people on this site have been doing an amazing job. If they hadn't been, those arms would have been in Zim long ago and we would no longer be talking about elections. CC ... Please don't put us with Mushandikwa - we vans aren't all that bad! ... we do do some silly things such as using other people's names on blogs though! :-) jassy - I'm sorry. I have to agree with 4th Chimurenga. I saw those truckloads of people murdered or never to be seen again, simply because they were opposition. Zanu PF was never an upright party. There may have been some good people in it, but their policies, from the beginning, speak for themselves.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211522','Van (or mutli-post CC)'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211522','Van (or mutli-post CC)','I think that the people on this site have been doing an amazing job. If they hadn\'t been, those arms would have been in Zim long ago and we would no longer be talking about elections.\r\n\r\nCC ... Please don\'t put us with Mushandikwa - we vans aren\'t all that bad! ... we do do some silly things such as using other people\'s names on blogs though! :-)\r\n\r\njassy - I\'m sorry. I have to agree with 4th Chimurenga. I saw those truckloads of people murdered or never to be seen again, simply because they were opposition. Zanu PF was never an upright party. There may have been some good people in it, but their policies, from the beginning, speak for themselves.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I think that the people on this site have been doing an amazing job. If they hadn’t been, those arms would have been in Zim long ago and we would no longer be talking about elections.

CC … Please don’t put us with Mushandikwa - we vans aren’t all that bad! … we do do some silly things such as using other people’s names on blogs though! :-)

jassy - I’m sorry. I have to agree with 4th Chimurenga. I saw those truckloads of people murdered or never to be seen again, simply because they were opposition. Zanu PF was never an upright party. There may have been some good people in it, but their policies, from the beginning, speak for themselves.

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]]> By: Sokwanele http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211477 Sokwanele Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:31:23 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211477 'Mushandikwa' ... you started commenting on this blog in Feb 2007 and I can see all that you've said previously, under all your identities, including white-racist remarks that haven't been published. The fact that you still get a voice here, despite the offensiveness of us knowing what your true agenda is, says a lot about our belief in free speech within the boundaries of our values. You are currently testing the moderation principle where we ask people to "engage in discussions with respect for everyone". Please give it some thought.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211477','Sokwanele'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211477','Sokwanele','\'Mushandikwa\' ... you started commenting on this blog in Feb 2007 and I can see all that you\'ve said previously, under all your identities, including white-racist remarks that haven\'t been published. The fact that you still get a voice here, despite the offensiveness of us knowing what your true agenda is, says a lot about our belief in free speech within the boundaries of our values. You are currently testing the moderation principle where we ask people to \"engage in discussions with respect for everyone\". Please give it some thought.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> ‘Mushandikwa’ … you started commenting on this blog in Feb 2007 and I can see all that you’ve said previously, under all your identities, including white-racist remarks that haven’t been published. The fact that you still get a voice here, despite the offensiveness of us knowing what your true agenda is, says a lot about our belief in free speech within the boundaries of our values. You are currently testing the moderation principle where we ask people to “engage in discussions with respect for everyone”. Please give it some thought.
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]]> By: Mushandikwa http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211433 Mushandikwa Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:41:35 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211433 You people are so busy playing your little posting games, there is "Scotchcart" who thinks he is in charge of something (We will ..etc..)the self appointed spokesperson, and others who beleive that mugabe and his gang actually read or care about about their comments on this subject. Mushandikwa, Jones, Smith, Ndlovu it does not matter, what matters is whether the zimbabwean people actually have sufficient moral fibre to instal a real democracy or whether is is just another sorry chapter in the ongoing demise of zimbabwe. Sure you can call me a troll, divisive etc I really do not care, what matters is whether you keyboard warriors actually do something in the real world or wether you are just empty vessels making noise. None of you know what race I am but you are very quick to jump to conclusions and as such the issue of this sites racial impartiality is questionable. Hamba gahle<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211433','Mushandikwa'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211433','Mushandikwa','You people are so busy playing your little posting games, there is \"Scotchcart\" who thinks he is in charge of something (We will ..etc..)the self appointed spokesperson, and others who beleive that mugabe and his gang actually read or care about about their comments on this subject.\r\n\r\nMushandikwa, Jones, Smith, Ndlovu it does not matter, what matters is whether the zimbabwean people actually have sufficient moral fibre to instal a real democracy or whether is is just another sorry chapter in the ongoing demise of zimbabwe.\r\n\r\nSure you can call me a troll, divisive etc I really do not care, what matters is whether you keyboard warriors actually do something in the real world or wether you are just empty vessels making noise.\r\n\r\nNone of you know what race I am but you are very quick to jump to conclusions and as such the issue of this sites racial impartiality is questionable. \r\n\r\nHamba gahle'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> You people are so busy playing your little posting games, there is “Scotchcart” who thinks he is in charge of something (We will ..etc..)the self appointed spokesperson, and others who beleive that mugabe and his gang actually read or care about about their comments on this subject.

Mushandikwa, Jones, Smith, Ndlovu it does not matter, what matters is whether the zimbabwean people actually have sufficient moral fibre to instal a real democracy or whether is is just another sorry chapter in the ongoing demise of zimbabwe.

Sure you can call me a troll, divisive etc I really do not care, what matters is whether you keyboard warriors actually do something in the real world or wether you are just empty vessels making noise.

None of you know what race I am but you are very quick to jump to conclusions and as such the issue of this sites racial impartiality is questionable.

Hamba gahle

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]]> By: CC http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211389 CC Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:50:24 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211389 van der Merwushandikwa..<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211389','CC'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211389','CC','van der Merwushandikwa..'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> van der Merwushandikwa..
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]]> By: Sokwanele http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211357 Sokwanele Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:22:13 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211357 Troll alert: Mushandikwa is a regular commentator on the blog (albeit under a variety of black pseudonyms) and sets out to ridicule, mock and be divisive. Less of a 'Mushandikwa' and more of a 'Jones' - better still 'Smith', if you see what I mean. Best to ignore him. Hope<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211357','Sokwanele'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211357','Sokwanele','Troll alert: Mushandikwa is a regular commentator on the blog (albeit under a variety of black pseudonyms) and sets out to ridicule, mock and be divisive. Less of a \'Mushandikwa\' and more of a \'Jones\' - better still \'Smith\', if you see what I mean. Best to ignore him.\r\n\r\nHope'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Troll alert: Mushandikwa is a regular commentator on the blog (albeit under a variety of black pseudonyms) and sets out to ridicule, mock and be divisive. Less of a ‘Mushandikwa’ and more of a ‘Jones’ - better still ‘Smith’, if you see what I mean. Best to ignore him.

Hope

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]]> By: CC http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211346 CC Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:11:03 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211346 Um, you know, democracy, freedom of speech.. Nice to annoy people like you, anyway. Come back anytime. Thought this might be of interest (to literate people) - apologies if already up: Story in the Telegraph UK: Barclays Bank accused of aiding Robert Mugabe regime http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/1912146/Barclays-Bank-accused-of-aiding-Robert-Mugabe-regime.html<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211346','CC'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211346','CC','Um, you know, democracy, freedom of speech..\r\n\r\nNice to annoy people like you, anyway. Come back anytime.\r\n\r\nThought this might be of interest (to literate people) - apologies if already up:\r\nStory in the Telegraph UK: Barclays Bank accused of aiding Robert Mugabe regime\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/worldnews\/africaandindianocean\/zimbabwe\/1912146\/Barclays-Bank-accused-of-aiding-Robert-Mugabe-regime.html'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Um, you know, democracy, freedom of speech..

Nice to annoy people like you, anyway. Come back anytime.

Thought this might be of interest (to literate people) - apologies if already up:
Story in the Telegraph UK: Barclays Bank accused of aiding Robert Mugabe regime

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/1912146/Barclays-Bank-accused-of-aiding-Robert-Mugabe-regime.html

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]]> By: scotchcart http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211341 scotchcart Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:06:53 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211341 I represent myself - who do you represent!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211341','scotchcart'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211341','scotchcart','I represent myself - who do you represent!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I represent myself - who do you represent!
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]]> By: Mushandikwa http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-211270 Mushandikwa Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:48:40 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-211270 Scotchcart "We just need to keep it simple. We will be onto any unfair behavior and expose it. We will applaud and recognize any behavior that is for the good of Zimbabwe" Who is this "We" you keep talking about, who do you actually represent ????<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('211270','Mushandikwa'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('211270','Mushandikwa','Scotchcart\r\n\"We just need to keep it simple. We will be onto any unfair behavior and expose it. We will applaud and recognize any behavior that is for the good of Zimbabwe\"\r\n\r\n\r\nWho is this \"We\" you keep talking about, who do you actually represent ????'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Scotchcart
“We just need to keep it simple. We will be onto any unfair behavior and expose it. We will applaud and recognize any behavior that is for the good of Zimbabwe”

Who is this “We” you keep talking about, who do you actually represent ????

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]]> By: South Africa http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-210695 South Africa Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:45:12 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-210695 The Citizen, SA 29/04/2008 07:39:50 CEDRIC MBOYISA The Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) has provided The Citizen with statistical evidence to back up its claim of being the outright winner in the Zimbabwean presidential election. The data indicate that a run-off election will not be necessary, as MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai obtained the prerequisite margin to be declared a “hands-down” victor. The results put Tsvangirai in pole position with 51.7%, while President Robert Mugabe lags behind with 43.3%. Here is the MDC versus Zanu-PF presidential race vote allocation breakdown in the country’s 10 “provinces”: * Tsvangirai (49 660) vs Mugabe (11 146) in Bulawayo. * Tsvangirai (227 387) vs Mugabe (60 523) in Harare. * Tsvangirai (212 553) vs Mugabe (131 856) in Manicaland. * Tsvangirai (78 650) vs Mugabe (150 889) in Mashonaland Central. * Tsvangirai (130 753) vs Mugabe (156 746) in Mashonaland East. * Tsvangirai (126 832) vs Mugabe (134 329) in Mashonaland West. * Tsvangirai (164 345) vs Mugabe (152 327) in Masvingo. * Tsvangirai (68 656) vs Mugabe (39 143) in Matebeleland North. * Tsvangirai (34 437) vs Mugabe (44 995) in Matebeleland South. * Tsvangirai (155 122) vs Mugabe (162 338) in Midlands. In total Tsvangirai and Mugabe amassed 1 248 395 and 1 044 292 votes respectively. The total number of votes, including those of other candidates, is said to be 2 413 830. “The Harare and Bulawayo figures were taken from the agreed and declared ZEC (Zimbabwe Electoral Commission) figures. The agents have already signed for the two sets of the results,” the MDC revealed. The party added: “All other figures were secured from our polling agents from different stations across the country.”<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('210695','South Africa'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('210695','South Africa','The Citizen, SA\r\n\r\n29\/04\/2008 07:39:50\r\n\r\nCEDRIC MBOYISA\r\n\r\nThe Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) has provided The Citizen with \r\nstatistical evidence to back up its claim of being the outright winner in \r\nthe Zimbabwean presidential election.\r\n\r\nThe data indicate that a run-off election will not be necessary, as MDC \r\nleader Morgan Tsvangirai obtained the prerequisite margin to be declared a \r\nâhands-downâ victor.\r\n\r\nThe results put Tsvangirai in pole position with 51.7%, while President \r\nRobert Mugabe lags behind with 43.3%.\r\n\r\nHere is the MDC versus Zanu-PF presidential race vote allocation breakdown \r\nin the countryâs 10 âprovincesâ:\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (49 660) vs Mugabe (11 146) in Bulawayo.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (227 387) vs Mugabe (60 523) in Harare.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (212 553) vs Mugabe (131 856) in Manicaland.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (78 650) vs Mugabe (150 889) in Mashonaland Central.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (130 753) vs Mugabe (156 746) in Mashonaland East.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (126 832) vs Mugabe (134 329) in Mashonaland West.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (164 345) vs Mugabe (152 327) in Masvingo.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (68 656) vs Mugabe (39 143) in Matebeleland North.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (34 437) vs Mugabe (44 995) in Matebeleland South.\r\n\r\n* Tsvangirai (155 122) vs Mugabe (162 338) in Midlands.\r\n\r\nIn total Tsvangirai and Mugabe amassed 1 248 395 and 1 044 292 votes \r\nrespectively.\r\n\r\nThe total number of votes, including those of other candidates, is said to \r\nbe 2 413 830.\r\n\r\nâThe Harare and Bulawayo figures were taken from the agreed and declared ZEC \r\n(Zimbabwe Electoral Commission) figures. The agents have already signed for \r\nthe two sets of the results,â the MDC revealed.\r\n\r\nThe party added: âAll other figures were secured from our polling agents \r\nfrom different stations across the country.â'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> The Citizen, SA

29/04/2008 07:39:50

CEDRIC MBOYISA

The Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) has provided The Citizen with
statistical evidence to back up its claim of being the outright winner in
the Zimbabwean presidential election.

The data indicate that a run-off election will not be necessary, as MDC
leader Morgan Tsvangirai obtained the prerequisite margin to be declared a
“hands-down” victor.

The results put Tsvangirai in pole position with 51.7%, while President
Robert Mugabe lags behind with 43.3%.

Here is the MDC versus Zanu-PF presidential race vote allocation breakdown
in the country’s 10 “provinces”:

* Tsvangirai (49 660) vs Mugabe (11 146) in Bulawayo.

* Tsvangirai (227 387) vs Mugabe (60 523) in Harare.

* Tsvangirai (212 553) vs Mugabe (131 856) in Manicaland.

* Tsvangirai (78 650) vs Mugabe (150 889) in Mashonaland Central.

* Tsvangirai (130 753) vs Mugabe (156 746) in Mashonaland East.

* Tsvangirai (126 832) vs Mugabe (134 329) in Mashonaland West.

* Tsvangirai (164 345) vs Mugabe (152 327) in Masvingo.

* Tsvangirai (68 656) vs Mugabe (39 143) in Matebeleland North.

* Tsvangirai (34 437) vs Mugabe (44 995) in Matebeleland South.

* Tsvangirai (155 122) vs Mugabe (162 338) in Midlands.

In total Tsvangirai and Mugabe amassed 1 248 395 and 1 044 292 votes
respectively.

The total number of votes, including those of other candidates, is said to
be 2 413 830.

“The Harare and Bulawayo figures were taken from the agreed and declared ZEC
(Zimbabwe Electoral Commission) figures. The agents have already signed for
the two sets of the results,” the MDC revealed.

The party added: “All other figures were secured from our polling agents
from different stations across the country.”

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]]> By: scotchcart http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-210414 scotchcart Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:18:15 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-210414 This most important thing they do is to approve the budget and supervise senior civil servants and service chiefs. It will be slow at first but MDC say they already have humanitarian aid lined up. So there might be help for people who are living right at the edge. The rest of us will carry on as usual but put our minds to our businesses instead of politics. The MDC leaders will not have personal sanctions against them. They can seek balance of payments support (credit in plain language). And hopefully negotiate with people we owe money to. Also hopefully they will make the debts and deals public. It will be the most important thing that they do. Transparent international transactions. Insistence that top people be clean and accountable. I have been watching the Zim dollar too. Before election it was a 10m to the pound. When people thought MDC had won, it recovered to 6m to the pound. Then it started to drop. it was 30m yesterday and 35m today. That drop must be another world record! Pity we can't enter it in the Olympic Games! A government needs confidence of the people to govern and the state of the Zim dollar is a barometer of that confidence (as the only people who buy it are Zimbabweans!) ZPF will fight on. What we must show them is that there is better Zimbabwe that they can take part in. We just need to keep it simple. We will be onto any unfair behavior and expose it. We will applaud and recognize any behavior that is for the good of Zimbabwe<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('210414','scotchcart'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('210414','scotchcart','This most important thing they do is to approve the budget and supervise senior civil servants and service chiefs.\r\n\r\nIt will be slow at first but MDC say they already have humanitarian aid lined up. So there might be help for people who are living right at the edge. \r\n\r\nThe rest of us will carry on as usual but put our minds to our businesses instead of politics. The MDC leaders will not have personal sanctions against them. They can seek balance of payments support (credit in plain language). And hopefully negotiate with people we owe money to. Also hopefully they will make the debts and deals public. It will be the most important thing that they do. Transparent international transactions. Insistence that top people be clean and accountable. \r\n\r\nI have been watching the Zim dollar too. Before election it was a 10m to the pound. When people thought MDC had won, it recovered to 6m to the pound. Then it started to drop. it was 30m yesterday and 35m today. That drop must be another world record! Pity we can\'t enter it in the Olympic Games!\r\n\r\nA government needs confidence of the people to govern and the state of the Zim dollar is a barometer of that confidence (as the only people who buy it are Zimbabweans!)\r\n\r\nZPF will fight on. What we must show them is that there is better Zimbabwe that they can take part in. \r\n\r\nWe just need to keep it simple. We will be onto any unfair behavior and expose it. We will applaud and recognize any behavior that is for the good of Zimbabwe'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> This most important thing they do is to approve the budget and supervise senior civil servants and service chiefs.

It will be slow at first but MDC say they already have humanitarian aid lined up. So there might be help for people who are living right at the edge.

The rest of us will carry on as usual but put our minds to our businesses instead of politics. The MDC leaders will not have personal sanctions against them. They can seek balance of payments support (credit in plain language). And hopefully negotiate with people we owe money to. Also hopefully they will make the debts and deals public. It will be the most important thing that they do. Transparent international transactions. Insistence that top people be clean and accountable.

I have been watching the Zim dollar too. Before election it was a 10m to the pound. When people thought MDC had won, it recovered to 6m to the pound. Then it started to drop. it was 30m yesterday and 35m today. That drop must be another world record! Pity we can’t enter it in the Olympic Games!

A government needs confidence of the people to govern and the state of the Zim dollar is a barometer of that confidence (as the only people who buy it are Zimbabweans!)

ZPF will fight on. What we must show them is that there is better Zimbabwe that they can take part in.

We just need to keep it simple. We will be onto any unfair behavior and expose it. We will applaud and recognize any behavior that is for the good of Zimbabwe

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]]> By: True Grit http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-210350 True Grit Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:45:11 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-210350 57% may be short of the two thirds majority needed to change the Constitution, but is enough for a new broom to sweep aside the illiberal democracy of the past. They can pass any number of laws. They could freeze the illicit assets of Mugabe and his co-conspiritors, they could organize economic aid so that it reached the communities in desperate need, they could make sure the the judiciary was truly independent of state control, they could establish a free press... the list goes on. Zanu PF would wither away as its redundancy became apparent to anyone with an ounce of patriotism left in their veins.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('210350','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('210350','True Grit','57% may be short of the two thirds majority needed to change the Constitution, but is enough for a new broom to sweep aside the illiberal democracy of the past. They can pass any number of laws. They could freeze the illicit assets of Mugabe and his co-conspiritors, they could organize economic aid so that it reached the communities in desperate need, they could make sure the the judiciary was truly independent of state control, they could establish a free press...\r\nthe list goes on. Zanu PF would wither away as its redundancy became apparent to anyone with an ounce of patriotism left in their veins.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> 57% may be short of the two thirds majority needed to change the Constitution, but is enough for a new broom to sweep aside the illiberal democracy of the past. They can pass any number of laws. They could freeze the illicit assets of Mugabe and his co-conspiritors, they could organize economic aid so that it reached the communities in desperate need, they could make sure the the judiciary was truly independent of state control, they could establish a free press…
the list goes on. Zanu PF would wither away as its redundancy became apparent to anyone with an ounce of patriotism left in their veins.
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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-210252 4th Chimurenga Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:18:14 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-210252 @ Jassy I don't agree at all with your view that ZANU PF was once ok. When is that? If it was a good party then Hebert Chitepo,Josiah Tongogara could have been with us before and after independence. The word Gukurahundi would be non existent!!! Cain Nkala, Gunda,Mahachi, would be alive.We could be using money.. This shows ZANU PF was NEVER ok whether is pre-independence, or post independence.. ITS ONLY THAT YOU NEVER REALISED IT UNTIL IT AFFECTED THE ECONOMY...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('210252','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('210252','4th Chimurenga','@ Jassy\r\nI don\'t agree at all with your view that ZANU PF was once ok. When is that? If it was a good party then Hebert Chitepo,Josiah Tongogara could have been with us before and after independence. The word Gukurahundi would be non existent!!! Cain Nkala, Gunda,Mahachi, would be alive.We could be using money.. This shows ZANU PF was NEVER ok whether is pre-independence, or post independence.. ITS ONLY THAT YOU NEVER REALISED IT UNTIL IT AFFECTED THE ECONOMY...'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> @ Jassy
I don’t agree at all with your view that ZANU PF was once ok. When is that? If it was a good party then Hebert Chitepo,Josiah Tongogara could have been with us before and after independence. The word Gukurahundi would be non existent!!! Cain Nkala, Gunda,Mahachi, would be alive.We could be using money.. This shows ZANU PF was NEVER ok whether is pre-independence, or post independence.. ITS ONLY THAT YOU NEVER REALISED IT UNTIL IT AFFECTED THE ECONOMY…
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]]> By: jassy http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/922#comment-210171 jassy Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:28:29 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=922#comment-210171 It’s interesting to read the varied opinions of Zimbabweans especially with regards to Arthur Mutambara. May I take this opportunity to remind those that accuse Mutambara of being Zanu PF that most of us were Zanu PF a long time ago when the party had morals. Even Tsvangirayi himself was Zanu PF when he was leading the ZCTU. Zanu PF was once a good party then. But it has since become the worst political party in the whole of Africa. This is the reason why the majority of right thinking Zimbabweans opted for the opposition. Glad to say efforts by Tsvangirayi, Mutambara, and Makoni have produced a historical outcome for democracy in Zimbabwe. Though they have played different roles the ultimate result has ensured Zanu PF will never play a significant part in the political arena of Zimbabwe again. In my mind, if somebody was sane enough not to support Mugabe then that person is sane enough to do business with. So, where do we go from here, Zimbabwe? If I had a say in what will happen after the pending departure of Mugabe, I would love for the three guys to work together and try and restore Zimbabwe to its former glory. Tsvangirayi won the vote so he can lead the nation. Between Mutambara and Makoni we could have a prime minister and finance minister. Imagine what such a team could achieve. The most important fact to note is that the nation must come first before any personal egos. Let’s forget what happened in the past and concentrate on the present. And the present involves burying Zanu PF and rebuilding our country Zimbabwe. And while we are still there, I would love to see all the service chiefs including the police commissioner relieved of their duties in favour of individuals who know that the forces belong to the state and not to the president. And by state I mean the nation. When soldiers salute a state leader they are in fact saluting the people represented by the leader. It amazes me to discover that such a basic fact has been lost to some misguided individuals currently in charge of our forces. We can’t afford to have such minds leading the forces because they will only abuse their authority and end up treating the forces like private armies. In conclusion I would like us as the people of Zimbabwe to realise and accept that Tsvangirayi is better off working together with Mutambara and Makoni. And we as the people who voted must rally our support behind the new leadership and ensure the Zanu PF legacy is buried once and for all. Let’s show Mugabe and his goons that there can be a Zimbabwe without him. A successful one for that matter. Come on Zimbabwe, WE CAN DO IT!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('210171','jassy'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('210171','jassy','Itâs interesting to read the varied opinions of Zimbabweans especially with regards to Arthur Mutambara. May I take this opportunity to remind those that accuse Mutambara of being Zanu PF that most of us were Zanu PF a long time ago when the party had morals. Even Tsvangirayi himself was Zanu PF when he was leading the ZCTU. Zanu PF was once a good party then. But it has since become the worst political party in the whole of Africa. This is the reason why the majority of right thinking Zimbabweans opted for the opposition. Glad to say efforts by Tsvangirayi, Mutambara, and Makoni have produced a historical outcome for democracy in Zimbabwe. Though they have played different roles the ultimate result has ensured Zanu PF will never play a significant part in the political arena of Zimbabwe again. In my mind, if somebody was sane enough not to support Mugabe then that person is sane enough to do business with. So, where do we go from here, Zimbabwe? If I had a say in what will happen after the pending departure of Mugabe, I would love for the three guys to work together and try and restore Zimbabwe to its former glory. Tsvangirayi won the vote so he can lead the nation. Between Mutambara and Makoni we could have a prime minister and finance minister. Imagine what such a team could achieve. The most important fact to note is that the nation must come first before any personal egos. Letâs forget what happened in the past and concentrate on the present. And the present involves burying Zanu PF and rebuilding our country Zimbabwe. And while we are still there, I would love to see all the service chiefs including the police commissioner relieved of their duties in favour of individuals who know that the forces belong to the state and not to the president. And by state I mean the nation. When soldiers salute a state leader they are in fact saluting the people represented by the leader. It amazes me to discover that such a basic fact has been lost to some misguided individuals currently in charge of our forces. We canât afford to have such minds leading the forces because they will only abuse their authority and end up treating the forces like private armies. In conclusion I would like us as the people of Zimbabwe to realise and accept that Tsvangirayi is better off working together with Mutambara and Makoni. And we as the people who voted must rally our support behind the new leadership and ensure the Zanu PF legacy is buried once and for all. Letâs show Mugabe and his goons that there can be a Zimbabwe without him. A successful one for that matter. Come on Zimbabwe, WE CAN DO IT!!!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> It’s interesting to read the varied opinions of Zimbabweans especially with regards to Arthur Mutambara. May I take this opportunity to remind those that accuse Mutambara of being Zanu PF that most of us were Zanu PF a long time ago when the party had morals. Even Tsvangirayi himself was Zanu PF when he was leading the ZCTU. Zanu PF was once a good party then. But it has since become the worst political party in the whole of Africa. This is the reason why the majority of right thinking Zimbabweans opted for the opposition. Glad to say efforts by Tsvangirayi, Mutambara, and Makoni have produced a historical outcome for democracy in Zimbabwe. Though they have played different roles the ultimate result has ensured Zanu PF will never play a significant part in the political arena of Zimbabwe again. In my mind, if somebody was sane enough not to support Mugabe then that person is sane enough to do business with. So, where do we go from here, Zimbabwe? If I had a say in what will happen after the pending departure of Mugabe, I would love for the three guys to work together and try and restore Zimbabwe to its former glory. Tsvangirayi won the vote so he can lead the nation. Between Mutambara and Makoni we could have a prime minister and finance minister. Imagine what such a team could achieve. The most important fact to note is that the nation must come first before any personal egos. Let’s forget what happened in the past and concentrate on the present. And the present involves burying Zanu PF and rebuilding our country Zimbabwe. And while we are still there, I would love to see all the service chiefs including the police commissioner relieved of their duties in favour of individuals who know that the forces belong to the state and not to the president. And by state I mean the nation. When soldiers salute a state leader they are in fact saluting the people represented by the leader. It amazes me to discover that such a basic fact has been lost to some misguided individuals currently in charge of our forces. We can’t afford to have such minds leading the forces because they will only abuse their authority and end up treating the forces like private armies. In conclusion I would like us as the people of Zimbabwe to realise and accept that Tsvangirayi is better off working together with Mutambara and Makoni. And we as the people who voted must rally our support behind the new leadership and ensure the Zanu PF legacy is buried once and for all. Let’s show Mugabe and his goons that there can be a Zimbabwe without him. A successful one for that matter. Come on Zimbabwe, WE CAN DO IT!!!
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