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		<title>By: mambo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is now quite painfully obvious the  military  has been running the country since 2000. How else do you explain their extraordinary threats against Morgan in 2000 and most recently that they would not salute him if he won. And  how else can you explain their presumptuous statements if it is not to own up to the reality their civilian front ( Bob) is a burnt out?

I don't believe these guys mean it when they say they love to death their manic "leader". What the military is subtly (or rather in a convoluted manner) telling the whole world and Morgan in particular is .......don't mess with us we are the real power here - and the current spasmodic violence is a true indicator of that power. The military  needs Mugabe  there to maintain a veneer of civility ( they wouldn't want SADC  us hapless citizens to know about their perfidy would they?)
Morgan alone will not dislodge ZANU and it is now painfully clear the ballot route is as useless an option as you can have. As Zimbabweans  we seem to be the only people  on this God's earth who cannot remove a decadent regime by democratic means.
The space I am talking about is the diplomatic front ( forgive me if I appear to be contacting my earlier thread)- and the diaspora has an excellent opportunity to mobilize a diplomatic assault against ZANU in every significant capital, to harangue, plead, articulate and show moral courage that Zimbabwe needs to be free of this abomination. To do this we must own up to the very fact that we are up against an  edifice  which  we cannot move alone.
This is not about demonstrations in front of diplomatic missions but mobilizing grass roots support for our cause and which should force foreign governments to act. There are 3-5 million of us outside and if we could all be organized under some platform- I am convinced we could finally deliver the knock-out blow- think about the economic clout we have  and the havoc it could wreak on ZANU's mad economic policies. Think about the the international revulsion we could generate by giving our compelling testimony of the slow suffocating death of a nation. And most of these governments have an interest in getting us back home- we are an additional cost they cannot sustain for long.
It is about time the diaspora is heard loud and clear. I am all for a Great Indaba to launch a worldwide movement specifically designed to drive Mugabe out of the community of nations, to harass,  shame and show the lies his so-called Ambassadors trot out every time they open their mouths- in short to silence him while tightening  the screws.
 
In tandem, its about time we stopped equivocating on the issue of mass human rights violations and the concomitant penalties. We have the names of the perpetrators and why not begin the process of indictment at the Hague and let the regime know there is a heavy cost when all this is over.- Never mind this might cause the it  to dig in but I say it will be worth the digging because we will bury them in their self-made graves. Let them feel the heat from every corner of the globe.
One last thing, I am confused about:
1. At what point did Chiweshe know he did not have the money to organise a run-off? In other words why did he announce it at all if there is no money to hold it?
2. Why is everybody (  the international community  included) talking about  a run -off   when the MDC is saying the results were cooked and this needs correcting? Why is everyone believing ZANU's assertions and that of the ZNSE ( which now says it is no longer sure of the authenticity of the presidential results anyway)? Why is everyone taking the run-off thing at face value when the MDC is saying the vote was stolen? Why is no-one taking the MDC's claims of fraud seriously ?
3. If the run-off does not produce a clear winner ( assuming ZANU bungles its rigging as it did this time) what next? Another run-off of a run-off?
3. Can anyone tell me why we should think  SADC and AU will happily assist the MDC unseat Mugabe? It would be unprecedented in the history of African politics- I say.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('219500','mambo'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('219500','mambo','It is now quite painfully obvious the&#194;&#160; military&#194;&#160; has been running the country since 2000. How else do you explain their extraordinary threats against Morgan in 2000 and most recently that they would not salute him if he won. And&#194;&#160; how else can you explain their presumptuous statements if it is not to own up to the reality their civilian front ( Bob) is a burnt out?\r\n\r\nI don\'t believe these guys mean it when they say they love to death their manic \&#34;leader\&#34;. What the military is subtly (or rather in a convoluted manner) telling the whole world and Morgan in particular is .......don\'t mess with us we are the real power here - and the current spasmodic violence is a true indicator of that power. The military&#194;&#160; needs Mugabe&#194;&#160; there to maintain a veneer of civility ( they wouldn\'t want SADC&#194;&#160; us hapless citizens to know about their perfidy would they?)\r\nMorgan alone will not dislodge ZANU and it is now painfully clear the ballot route is as useless an option as you can have. As Zimbabweans&#194;&#160; we seem to be the only people&#194;&#160; on this God\'s earth who cannot remove a decadent regime by democratic means.\r\nThe space I am talking about is the diplomatic front ( forgive me if I appear to be contacting my earlier thread)- and the diaspora has an excellent opportunity to mobilize a diplomatic assault against ZANU in every significant capital, to harangue, plead, articulate and show moral courage that Zimbabwe needs to be free of this abomination. To do this we must own up to the very fact that we are up against an&#194;&#160; edifice&#194;&#160; which&#194;&#160; we cannot move alone.\r\nThis is not about demonstrations in front of diplomatic missions but mobilizing grass roots support for our cause and which should force foreign governments to act. There are 3-5 million of us outside and if we could all be organized under some platform- I am convinced we could finally deliver the knock-out blow- think about the economic clout we have&#194;&#160; and the havoc it could wreak on ZANU\'s mad economic policies. Think about the the international revulsion we could generate by giving our compelling testimony of the slow suffocating death of a nation. And most of these governments have an interest in getting us back home- we are an additional cost they cannot sustain for long.\r\nIt is about time the diaspora is heard loud and clear. I am all for a Great Indaba to launch a worldwide movement specifically designed to drive Mugabe out of the community of nations, to harass,&#194;&#160; shame and show the lies his so-called Ambassadors trot out every time they open their mouths- in short to silence him while tightening&#194;&#160; the screws.\r\n&#194;&#160;\r\nIn tandem, its about time we stopped equivocating on the issue of mass human rights violations and the concomitant penalties. We have the names of the perpetrators and why not begin the process of indictment at the Hague and let the regime know there is a heavy cost when all this is over.- Never mind this might cause the it&#194;&#160; to dig in but I say it will be worth the digging because we will bury them in their self-made graves. Let them feel the heat from every corner of the globe.\r\nOne last thing, I am confused about:\r\n1. At what point did Chiweshe know he did not have the money to organise a run-off? In other words why did he announce it at all if there is no money to hold it?\r\n2. Why is everybody (&#194;&#160; the international community&#194;&#160; included) talking about&#194;&#160; a run -off&#194;&#160;  when the MDC is saying the results were cooked and this needs correcting? Why is everyone believing ZANU\'s assertions and that of the ZNSE ( which now says it is no longer sure of the authenticity of the presidential results anyway)? Why is everyone taking the run-off thing at face value when the MDC is saying the vote was stolen? Why is no-one taking the MDC\'s claims of fraud seriously ?\r\n3. If the run-off does not produce a clear winner ( assuming ZANU bungles its rigging as it did this time) what next? Another run-off of a run-off?\r\n3. Can anyone tell me why we should think&#194;&#160; SADC and AU will happily assist the MDC unseat Mugabe? It would be unprecedented in the history of African politics- I say.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is now quite painfully obvious the  military  has been running the country since 2000. How else do you explain their extraordinary threats against Morgan in 2000 and most recently that they would not salute him if he won. And  how else can you explain their presumptuous statements if it is not to own up to the reality their civilian front ( Bob) is a burnt out?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe these guys mean it when they say they love to death their manic &#8220;leader&#8221;. What the military is subtly (or rather in a convoluted manner) telling the whole world and Morgan in particular is &#8230;&#8230;.don&#8217;t mess with us we are the real power here - and the current spasmodic violence is a true indicator of that power. The military  needs Mugabe  there to maintain a veneer of civility ( they wouldn&#8217;t want SADC  us hapless citizens to know about their perfidy would they?)<br />
Morgan alone will not dislodge ZANU and it is now painfully clear the ballot route is as useless an option as you can have. As Zimbabweans  we seem to be the only people  on this God&#8217;s earth who cannot remove a decadent regime by democratic means.<br />
The space I am talking about is the diplomatic front ( forgive me if I appear to be contacting my earlier thread)- and the diaspora has an excellent opportunity to mobilize a diplomatic assault against ZANU in every significant capital, to harangue, plead, articulate and show moral courage that Zimbabwe needs to be free of this abomination. To do this we must own up to the very fact that we are up against an  edifice  which  we cannot move alone.<br />
This is not about demonstrations in front of diplomatic missions but mobilizing grass roots support for our cause and which should force foreign governments to act. There are 3-5 million of us outside and if we could all be organized under some platform- I am convinced we could finally deliver the knock-out blow- think about the economic clout we have  and the havoc it could wreak on ZANU&#8217;s mad economic policies. Think about the the international revulsion we could generate by giving our compelling testimony of the slow suffocating death of a nation. And most of these governments have an interest in getting us back home- we are an additional cost they cannot sustain for long.<br />
It is about time the diaspora is heard loud and clear. I am all for a Great Indaba to launch a worldwide movement specifically designed to drive Mugabe out of the community of nations, to harass,  shame and show the lies his so-called Ambassadors trot out every time they open their mouths- in short to silence him while tightening  the screws.<br />
 <br />
In tandem, its about time we stopped equivocating on the issue of mass human rights violations and the concomitant penalties. We have the names of the perpetrators and why not begin the process of indictment at the Hague and let the regime know there is a heavy cost when all this is over.- Never mind this might cause the it  to dig in but I say it will be worth the digging because we will bury them in their self-made graves. Let them feel the heat from every corner of the globe.<br />
One last thing, I am confused about:<br />
1. At what point did Chiweshe know he did not have the money to organise a run-off? In other words why did he announce it at all if there is no money to hold it?<br />
2. Why is everybody (  the international community  included) talking about  a run -off   when the MDC is saying the results were cooked and this needs correcting? Why is everyone believing ZANU&#8217;s assertions and that of the ZNSE ( which now says it is no longer sure of the authenticity of the presidential results anyway)? Why is everyone taking the run-off thing at face value when the MDC is saying the vote was stolen? Why is no-one taking the MDC&#8217;s claims of fraud seriously ?<br />
3. If the run-off does not produce a clear winner ( assuming ZANU bungles its rigging as it did this time) what next? Another run-off of a run-off?<br />
3. Can anyone tell me why we should think  SADC and AU will happily assist the MDC unseat Mugabe? It would be unprecedented in the history of African politics- I say.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('219500','mambo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('219500','mambo','It is now quite painfully obvious the&Acirc;&nbsp; military&Acirc;&nbsp; has been running the country since 2000. How else do you explain their extraordinary threats against Morgan in 2000 and most recently that they would not salute him if he won. And&Acirc;&nbsp; how else can you explain their presumptuous statements if it is not to own up to the reality their civilian front ( Bob) is a burnt out?\r\n\r\nI don\'t believe these guys mean it when they say they love to death their manic \&quot;leader\&quot;. What the military is subtly (or rather in a convoluted manner) telling the whole world and Morgan in particular is .......don\'t mess with us we are the real power here - and the current spasmodic violence is a true indicator of that power. The military&Acirc;&nbsp; needs Mugabe&Acirc;&nbsp; there to maintain a veneer of civility ( they wouldn\'t want SADC&Acirc;&nbsp; us hapless citizens to know about their perfidy would they?)\r\nMorgan alone will not dislodge ZANU and it is now painfully clear the ballot route is as useless an option as you can have. As Zimbabweans&Acirc;&nbsp; we seem to be the only people&Acirc;&nbsp; on this God\'s earth who cannot remove a decadent regime by democratic means.\r\nThe space I am talking about is the diplomatic front ( forgive me if I appear to be contacting my earlier thread)- and the diaspora has an excellent opportunity to mobilize a diplomatic assault against ZANU in every significant capital, to harangue, plead, articulate and show moral courage that Zimbabwe needs to be free of this abomination. To do this we must own up to the very fact that we are up against an&Acirc;&nbsp; edifice&Acirc;&nbsp; which&Acirc;&nbsp; we cannot move alone.\r\nThis is not about demonstrations in front of diplomatic missions but mobilizing grass roots support for our cause and which should force foreign governments to act. There are 3-5 million of us outside and if we could all be organized under some platform- I am convinced we could finally deliver the knock-out blow- think about the economic clout we have&Acirc;&nbsp; and the havoc it could wreak on ZANU\'s mad economic policies. Think about the the international revulsion we could generate by giving our compelling testimony of the slow suffocating death of a nation. And most of these governments have an interest in getting us back home- we are an additional cost they cannot sustain for long.\r\nIt is about time the diaspora is heard loud and clear. I am all for a Great Indaba to launch a worldwide movement specifically designed to drive Mugabe out of the community of nations, to harass,&Acirc;&nbsp; shame and show the lies his so-called Ambassadors trot out every time they open their mouths- in short to silence him while tightening&Acirc;&nbsp; the screws.\r\n&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nIn tandem, its about time we stopped equivocating on the issue of mass human rights violations and the concomitant penalties. We have the names of the perpetrators and why not begin the process of indictment at the Hague and let the regime know there is a heavy cost when all this is over.- Never mind this might cause the it&Acirc;&nbsp; to dig in but I say it will be worth the digging because we will bury them in their self-made graves. Let them feel the heat from every corner of the globe.\r\nOne last thing, I am confused about:\r\n1. At what point did Chiweshe know he did not have the money to organise a run-off? In other words why did he announce it at all if there is no money to hold it?\r\n2. Why is everybody (&Acirc;&nbsp; the international community&Acirc;&nbsp; included) talking about&Acirc;&nbsp; a run -off&Acirc;&nbsp;  when the MDC is saying the results were cooked and this needs correcting? Why is everyone believing ZANU\'s assertions and that of the ZNSE ( which now says it is no longer sure of the authenticity of the presidential results anyway)? Why is everyone taking the run-off thing at face value when the MDC is saying the vote was stolen? Why is no-one taking the MDC\'s claims of fraud seriously ?\r\n3. If the run-off does not produce a clear winner ( assuming ZANU bungles its rigging as it did this time) what next? Another run-off of a run-off?\r\n3. Can anyone tell me why we should think&Acirc;&nbsp; SADC and AU will happily assist the MDC unseat Mugabe? It would be unprecedented in the history of African politics- I say.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: True Grit</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Grit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 09:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mugabe and Zanu-PF were to crown their current acts of violence and intimidation towards innocent citizens by ultimately declaring that they have won the 2008 elections, and intend to rule as before, it will become a universally regarded terrorist regime. The interpretation of terrorism by a state is when that state uses intimidation of the public for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, or ideological cause.

There are international courts of justice who are sanctioned and able to deal with such regimes, and the individuals behind them. The USA, UK, and EU would pay particular attention to the verdict that such a court would bring regarding its assessment, and to what extent the Mugabe regime will have erred in law.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('219240','True Grit'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('219240','True Grit','If Mugabe and Zanu-PF were to crown their current acts of violence and intimidation towards innocent citizens by ultimately declaring that they have won the 2008 elections, and intend to rule as before,&#194;&#160;it will become a universally regarded terrorist regime. The interpretation of terrorism by a state is when that state uses intimidation of the public for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, or ideological cause.\r\n\r\nThere are international courts of justice who are sanctioned and able to deal with such regimes, and the individuals behind them. The USA, UK, and EU would pay particular attention to the verdict that such a court would bring regarding its assessment, and to what extent the Mugabe regime will have erred in law.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mugabe and Zanu-PF were to crown their current acts of violence and intimidation towards innocent citizens by ultimately declaring that they have won the 2008 elections, and intend to rule as before, it will become a universally regarded terrorist regime. The interpretation of terrorism by a state is when that state uses intimidation of the public for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, or ideological cause.</p>
<p>There are international courts of justice who are sanctioned and able to deal with such regimes, and the individuals behind them. The USA, UK, and EU would pay particular attention to the verdict that such a court would bring regarding its assessment, and to what extent the Mugabe regime will have erred in law.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('219240','True Grit'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('219240','True Grit','If Mugabe and Zanu-PF were to crown their current acts of violence and intimidation towards innocent citizens by ultimately declaring that they have won the 2008 elections, and intend to rule as before,&Acirc;&nbsp;it will become a universally regarded terrorist regime. The interpretation of terrorism by a state is when that state uses intimidation of the public for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, or ideological cause.\r\n\r\nThere are international courts of justice who are sanctioned and able to deal with such regimes, and the individuals behind them. The USA, UK, and EU would pay particular attention to the verdict that such a court would bring regarding its assessment, and to what extent the Mugabe regime will have erred in law.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ mambo 

Offer honest suggestions please do...

Unfortunately the trouble with the opposition in Zimbabwe is that its full of people that think Zimbabwe is akin to Selma Alabama in the days of MLK ...or Ghandis colonial India...circa 1947.

The blind lead the impotent with the rhetoric of blind optimism that seems to defeat reality at every turn...

But two questions just wont go away ....

1) In 10 years have any utopian schemes actually worked to undermine the Military regime in ANY significant way?

2) Knowing what type of creature ZANU PF is and knowing full well that ALL the events of the past few months were actually seen well in advance...How can people honestly justify seeking to counter that known quantity with ideas and methods that continue to leave that regime intact...year after year?

The Zimbabwean people are placed as helpless hopeless, powerless without agency...but for whose real benefit??? This issue is about using all solutions to end this evil not merely people outside Zimbabwe placing people inside Zimbabwe in an endless...  meat grinder because of a utopian social experiment...&lt;em&gt;that they cant even apply to bring any real change to their own societies&lt;/em&gt;.....So long as there are voices of commonsense telling the harsh and often bitter facts....No one can say they were not warned...or they for their stubborness do not hold part of the blame.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218920','anon'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218920','anon','@ mambo \r\n\r\nOffer honest suggestions please do...\r\n\r\nUnfortunately the trouble with the opposition in Zimbabwe is that its full of people that think Zimbabwe is akin to Selma Alabama in the days of MLK ...or Ghandis colonial&#194;&#160;India...circa 1947.\r\n\r\nThe blind lead the impotent with the rhetoric of blind optimism that seems to defeat reality at every turn...\r\n\r\nBut two questions just wont go away ....\r\n\r\n1) In 10 years have any utopian schemes actually worked to undermine the Military regime in ANY significant way?\r\n\r\n2) Knowing what type of creature&#194;&#160;ZANU PF is and knowing full well that ALL the events of the past few months&#194;&#160;were actually&#194;&#160;seen well in advance...How can people honestly justify seeking to counter that&#194;&#160;known quantity&#194;&#160;with ideas and methods that continue to leave that regime intact...year after year?\r\n\r\nThe Zimbabwean people are placed as helpless hopeless, powerless without agency...but for whose real benefit??? This issue is about using all solutions to end this evil not merely people outside Zimbabwe placing people inside Zimbabwe in an endless... &#194;&#160;meat grinder because of a utopian social experiment...&#60;em&#62;that they cant even apply to bring any real change to their own societies&#60;\/em&#62;.....So&#194;&#160;long as there are voices of commonsense telling the harsh and often bitter facts....No one can say they were not warned...or they for their stubborness do not hold&#194;&#160;part of the blame.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mambo </p>
<p>Offer honest suggestions please do&#8230;</p>
<p>Unfortunately the trouble with the opposition in Zimbabwe is that its full of people that think Zimbabwe is akin to Selma Alabama in the days of MLK &#8230;or Ghandis colonial India&#8230;circa 1947.</p>
<p>The blind lead the impotent with the rhetoric of blind optimism that seems to defeat reality at every turn&#8230;</p>
<p>But two questions just wont go away &#8230;.</p>
<p>1) In 10 years have any utopian schemes actually worked to undermine the Military regime in ANY significant way?</p>
<p>2) Knowing what type of creature ZANU PF is and knowing full well that ALL the events of the past few months were actually seen well in advance&#8230;How can people honestly justify seeking to counter that known quantity with ideas and methods that continue to leave that regime intact&#8230;year after year?</p>
<p>The Zimbabwean people are placed as helpless hopeless, powerless without agency&#8230;but for whose real benefit??? This issue is about using all solutions to end this evil not merely people outside Zimbabwe placing people inside Zimbabwe in an endless&#8230;  meat grinder because of a utopian social experiment&#8230;<em>that they cant even apply to bring any real change to their own societies</em>&#8230;..So long as there are voices of commonsense telling the harsh and often bitter facts&#8230;.No one can say they were not warned&#8230;or they for their stubborness do not hold part of the blame.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218920','anon'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218920','anon','@ mambo \r\n\r\nOffer honest suggestions please do...\r\n\r\nUnfortunately the trouble with the opposition in Zimbabwe is that its full of people that think Zimbabwe is akin to Selma Alabama in the days of MLK ...or Ghandis colonial&Acirc;&nbsp;India...circa 1947.\r\n\r\nThe blind lead the impotent with the rhetoric of blind optimism that seems to defeat reality at every turn...\r\n\r\nBut two questions just wont go away ....\r\n\r\n1) In 10 years have any utopian schemes actually worked to undermine the Military regime in ANY significant way?\r\n\r\n2) Knowing what type of creature&Acirc;&nbsp;ZANU PF is and knowing full well that ALL the events of the past few months&Acirc;&nbsp;were actually&Acirc;&nbsp;seen well in advance...How can people honestly justify seeking to counter that&Acirc;&nbsp;known quantity&Acirc;&nbsp;with ideas and methods that continue to leave that regime intact...year after year?\r\n\r\nThe Zimbabwean people are placed as helpless hopeless, powerless without agency...but for whose real benefit??? This issue is about using all solutions to end this evil not merely people outside Zimbabwe placing people inside Zimbabwe in an endless... &Acirc;&nbsp;meat grinder because of a utopian social experiment...&lt;em&gt;that they cant even apply to bring any real change to their own societies&lt;\/em&gt;.....So&Acirc;&nbsp;long as there are voices of commonsense telling the harsh and often bitter facts....No one can say they were not warned...or they for their stubborness do not hold&Acirc;&nbsp;part of the blame.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: True Grit</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/937#comment-218776</link>
		<dc:creator>True Grit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mambo,

Yes, they are delinquents, thinking they can make hay for themselves, and only succeeding in making hell, when the sun shines. Their evil purpose is to continue the promotion of the ruins of their discredited regime. Historically it only requires enough outsiders not to like what they are doing, and would plainly continue to do if left undisturbed, for such regimes to be toppled for something more constructive. In that sense no house, tribe, village, community or country is completely isolated from the sanity and authority of the world. Not even Mugabe and his henchmen. Ultimately, there is always a way. The solution will present itself and the New Zimbabwe will emerge.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218776','True Grit'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218776','True Grit','Mambo,\r\n\r\nYes, they are delinquents, thinking they can make hay for themselves, and only succeeding in making hell, when the sun shines. Their evil purpose is to continue the promotion of the ruins of their discredited regime.&#194;&#160;Historically it only requires enough outsiders not to like what they&#194;&#160;are doing,&#194;&#160;and would plainly continue to do if left undisturbed,&#194;&#160;for such regimes to be toppled for something more constructive. In that sense no house, tribe, village, community or country is completely isolated from the sanity and authority of the world. Not even Mugabe and his henchmen. Ultimately, there is always a way. The solution will present itself and the New Zimbabwe will emerge.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mambo,</p>
<p>Yes, they are delinquents, thinking they can make hay for themselves, and only succeeding in making hell, when the sun shines. Their evil purpose is to continue the promotion of the ruins of their discredited regime. Historically it only requires enough outsiders not to like what they are doing, and would plainly continue to do if left undisturbed, for such regimes to be toppled for something more constructive. In that sense no house, tribe, village, community or country is completely isolated from the sanity and authority of the world. Not even Mugabe and his henchmen. Ultimately, there is always a way. The solution will present itself and the New Zimbabwe will emerge.
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		<title>By: mambo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 08:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Grit,

Can't you see what's going on? ZANU does not intend to lose this round and that means it will not allow anyone ( external observers included) to stand in the way, period! You have seen the extent to which they are prepared to go and get ready to see more of the same in the coming weeks and months.You ain't dealing with run of the mill mental delinquents  here especially with Mbeki as cheerleader.

Just look at the mass court challenge they have launched and the Chief Justice dutifully obliging by appointing more judges; get ready for more upsetting news. I have spoken of a different space to wage this fight and I think people better start thinking about what that space should be.
I am quiting  rational thought in favor of divine intervention ( it least for now).&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218648','mambo'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218648','mambo','True Grit,\r\n\r\nCan\'t you see what\'s going on? ZANU does not intend to lose this round and that means it will not allow anyone ( external observers included) to stand in the way, period! You have seen the extent to which they are prepared to go and get ready to see more of the same in the coming weeks and months.You ain\'t dealing with run of the mill mental delinquents  here especially with Mbeki as cheerleader.\r\n\r\nJust look at the mass court challenge they have launched and the Chief Justice dutifully obliging by appointing more judges; get ready for more upsetting news. I have spoken of a different space to wage this fight and I think people better start thinking about what that space should be.\r\nI am quiting  rational thought in favor of divine intervention ( it least for now).'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Grit,</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you see what&#8217;s going on? ZANU does not intend to lose this round and that means it will not allow anyone ( external observers included) to stand in the way, period! You have seen the extent to which they are prepared to go and get ready to see more of the same in the coming weeks and months.You ain&#8217;t dealing with run of the mill mental delinquents  here especially with Mbeki as cheerleader.</p>
<p>Just look at the mass court challenge they have launched and the Chief Justice dutifully obliging by appointing more judges; get ready for more upsetting news. I have spoken of a different space to wage this fight and I think people better start thinking about what that space should be.<br />
I am quiting  rational thought in favor of divine intervention ( it least for now).
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		<title>By: True Grit</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Grit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By usurping the SECs authority, and acting unconstitutionally soon after the  election, and by closing down the Command Centre and spiriting away the ballot boxes for a period of three weeks to and unknown destination, Zanu-PF  have forfeited normal rights to a second round  unless an outside monitoring force is present to prevent such activities re-occurring. The question then arises: Which outside forces will organize this programme and will Mugabe forces resist the umpirical programme by armed resistance?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218387','True Grit'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218387','True Grit','By usurping the SECs authority, and acting&#194;&#160;unconstitutionally&#194;&#160;soon after the&#194;&#160; election, and by closing down the Command Centre and spiriting away the ballot boxes for a period of three weeks to and unknown destination, Zanu-PF&#194;&#160; have forfeited&#194;&#160;normal rights to a second round&#194;&#160; unless an outside monitoring force is present to prevent such activities re-occurring. The question then arises: Which outside forces will organize this programme and will Mugabe forces resist the umpirical programme by armed resistance?'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By usurping the SECs authority, and acting unconstitutionally soon after the  election, and by closing down the Command Centre and spiriting away the ballot boxes for a period of three weeks to and unknown destination, Zanu-PF  have forfeited normal rights to a second round  unless an outside monitoring force is present to prevent such activities re-occurring. The question then arises: Which outside forces will organize this programme and will Mugabe forces resist the umpirical programme by armed resistance?
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		<title>By: Cricket</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 07:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mugabe will hang on till "death do us part". When backed by the likes of Mbeki who was supposed to mediate this hole process &#38; has failed to do so shows his attachment to Mugabe along with most SADC members. These people still pondor over liberation which died out decades ago &#38; do not believe in a Democratic Government.
In fact you need to consitrate on the army, police etc who are behind this "Mugabe standing for a sixth term" and its only to procect themselves from prsocution.
Cricket.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217888','Cricket'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217888','Cricket','Mugabe will hang on till \&#34;death do us part\&#34;. When backed by the likes of Mbeki who was supposed to mediate this hole process &#38;amp; has failed to do so shows his attachment to Mugabe along with most SADC members. These people still pondor over liberation which died out decades ago &#38;amp; do not believe in a Democratic Government.\r\nIn fact you need to consitrate on the army, police etc who are behind this \&#34;Mugabe standing for a sixth term\&#34; and its only to procect themselves from prsocution.\r\nCricket.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mugabe will hang on till &#8220;death do us part&#8221;. When backed by the likes of Mbeki who was supposed to mediate this hole process &amp; has failed to do so shows his attachment to Mugabe along with most SADC members. These people still pondor over liberation which died out decades ago &amp; do not believe in a Democratic Government.<br />
In fact you need to consitrate on the army, police etc who are behind this &#8220;Mugabe standing for a sixth term&#8221; and its only to procect themselves from prsocution.<br />
Cricket.
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/937#comment-217359</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sokwanele
War veterans get hefty pay hikes.

&lt;a href="http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1495981/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1495981/&lt;/a&gt;

'May 05, 2008 (Zimbabwe Standard/All Africa Global Media via COMTEX) -- -- THE government has raised war veterans' monthly allowances from $1.6 billion to $9 billion, The Standard can report.
 
Independent analysts speculated on the probability of this being President Robert Mugabe and Zanu PF's gesture of gratitude to the war veterans for their ongoing campaign against opposition supporters.'
 &lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217359','Tara'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217359','Tara','@Sokwanele\r\nWar veterans get hefty pay hikes.\r\n\r\n&#60;a href=\&#34;http:\/\/www.tradingmarkets.com\/.site\/news\/Stock%20News\/1495981\/\&#34; rel=\&#34;nofollow\&#34;&#62;http:\/\/www.tradingmarkets.com\/.site\/news\/Stock%20News\/1495981\/&#60;\/a&#62;\r\n\r\n\'May 05, 2008 (Zimbabwe Standard\/All Africa Global Media via COMTEX) -- -- THE government has raised war veterans\' monthly allowances from $1.6 billion to $9 billion, The Standard can report.\r\n&#194;&#160;\r\nIndependent analysts speculated on the probability of this being President Robert Mugabe and Zanu PF\'s gesture of gratitude to the war veterans for their ongoing campaign against opposition supporters.\'\r\n&#194;&#160;'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sokwanele<br />
War veterans get hefty pay hikes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1495981/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1495981/</a></p>
<p>&#8216;May 05, 2008 (Zimbabwe Standard/All Africa Global Media via COMTEX) &#8212; &#8211; THE government has raised war veterans&#8217; monthly allowances from $1.6 billion to $9 billion, The Standard can report.<br />
 <br />
Independent analysts speculated on the probability of this being President Robert Mugabe and Zanu PF&#8217;s gesture of gratitude to the war veterans for their ongoing campaign against opposition supporters.&#8217;<br />
 
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/937#comment-217254</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The charity below fits your description and is non-partisan. It's in the UK unfortunately but at least the charity commissioners will ensure probity.
 
 Let me know if you want to pursue this.
  
Dave
 
 http://www.zbf.org.uk/projects.php?id=9&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217254','Dave'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217254','Dave','The charity below fits your description and is non-partisan. It\'s in the UK unfortunately but at least the charity commissioners will ensure probity.\r\n \r\n Let me know if you want to pursue this.\r\n  \r\nDave\r\n \r\n http:\/\/www.zbf.org.uk\/projects.php?id=9'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The charity below fits your description and is non-partisan. It&#8217;s in the UK unfortunately but at least the charity commissioners will ensure probity.</p>
<p> Let me know if you want to pursue this.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.zbf.org.uk/projects.php?id=9" rel="nofollow">http://www.zbf.org.uk/projects.php?id=9</a>
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		<title>By: mambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sokwanele,
I am standing by to do an internet bank transfer if you give me a verifiable account and address. Am afraid, I can't do it straight to Zim though. I would have thought a huge effort by the diaspora would have been underway  by now to help the victims of this latest ZANU madness.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217224','mambo'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217224','mambo','Sokwanele,\r\nI am standing by to do an internet bank transfer if you give me a verifiable account and address. Am afraid, I can\'t do it straight to Zim though. I would have thought a huge effort by the diaspora would have been underway  by now to help the victims of this latest ZANU madness.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sokwanele,<br />
I am standing by to do an internet bank transfer if you give me a verifiable account and address. Am afraid, I can&#8217;t do it straight to Zim though. I would have thought a huge effort by the diaspora would have been underway  by now to help the victims of this latest ZANU madness.
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		<title>By: Miko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A short version of the list is 
GIVE UP NOW
He has lost twice and is now saying he needs to lose 3 times in order to lose. This is poor argument for spending the election money and having violence when the outcome is clear. He used to beat people to prove he won. Now he beats them because he lost -- this is bizarre argument that even his friends can see is tortured logic. 
"A trillion dollars here, a trillion dollars there -- pretty soon it adds up to serious money." Better he go now. 
If his veneer of authority can be stripped away, maybe he won't be able to get away with it. He is a piece of cardboard carton wearing spectacles.
But if you have to do it, ideal is go into such an election with everybody in Z knowing that Rigger Robber Double Loser Mugabe lost twice even though he did everything in his power to steal. 
He used to be good at stealing. Now he cannot even steal properly. A woman had two children in jail. "Rich steals cars and wrecks them. But Robert," she says, pride swelling, "Robert has not wrecked even one!"
This time, Robert, you wrecked it, you lost it, you lost it again, you stole it. You wrecked it. 
In baseball, STRIKE THREE and you are out. In your country, three doves or chickens together deliver some message to the home. 
What is the Shona phrase for "He's finished," delivered in Zvimba dialect or slang?
What do people say when a relative has visited too long? 
When they want him out the door without burning the house down? 
What is the proverb for an old man who retires to his rural home, wishing to live out his last days in enjoyment around family, free from worry and responsibility? 
Zimbabwe needs to recover and move on from this geriatric spasm. Bob, we're all afraid of growing old and mortality. Relax and you can live out your years to be buried in Heroes Acre as you wish. &lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217219','Miko'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217219','Miko','A short version of the list is&#194;&#160;\r\nGIVE UP NOW\r\nHe has lost twice and is now saying he needs to lose 3 times in order to lose. This is poor argument for spending the election money and having violence when the outcome is clear. He used to beat people to prove he won. Now he beats them because he lost -- this is bizarre argument that even his friends can see is tortured logic.&#194;&#160;\r\n\&#34;A trillion dollars here, a trillion dollars there -- pretty soon it adds up to serious money.\&#34; Better he go now.&#194;&#160;\r\nIf his veneer of authority can be stripped away, maybe he won\'t be able to get away with it. He is a piece of cardboard carton wearing spectacles.\r\nBut if you have to do it, ideal is go into such an election with everybody in Z knowing that&#194;&#160;Rigger Robber Double Loser Mugabe&#194;&#160;lost twice even though he did everything in his power to steal.&#194;&#160;\r\nHe used to be good at stealing. Now he cannot even steal properly. A woman had two children in jail. \&#34;Rich steals cars and wrecks them. But Robert,\&#34; she says, pride swelling, \&#34;Robert has not wrecked even one!\&#34;\r\nThis time, Robert, you wrecked it, you lost it, you lost it again, you stole it. You wrecked it.&#194;&#160;\r\nIn baseball, STRIKE THREE and you are out. In your country, three doves or chickens together deliver some message to the home.&#194;&#160;\r\nWhat is the Shona phrase for \&#34;He\'s finished,\&#34; delivered in Zvimba dialect or slang?\r\nWhat do people say when a relative has visited too long?&#194;&#160;\r\nWhen they want him out the door without burning the house down?&#194;&#160;\r\nWhat is the proverb for an old man who retires to his rural home, wishing to live out his last days in enjoyment around family, free from worry and responsibility?&#194;&#160;\r\nZimbabwe needs to recover and move on from this geriatric spasm. Bob, we\'re all afraid of growing old and mortality. Relax and you can live out your years to be buried in Heroes Acre as you wish.&#194;&#160;'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A short version of the list is <br />
GIVE UP NOW<br />
He has lost twice and is now saying he needs to lose 3 times in order to lose. This is poor argument for spending the election money and having violence when the outcome is clear. He used to beat people to prove he won. Now he beats them because he lost &#8212; this is bizarre argument that even his friends can see is tortured logic. <br />
&#8220;A trillion dollars here, a trillion dollars there &#8212; pretty soon it adds up to serious money.&#8221; Better he go now. <br />
If his veneer of authority can be stripped away, maybe he won&#8217;t be able to get away with it. He is a piece of cardboard carton wearing spectacles.<br />
But if you have to do it, ideal is go into such an election with everybody in Z knowing that Rigger Robber Double Loser Mugabe lost twice even though he did everything in his power to steal. <br />
He used to be good at stealing. Now he cannot even steal properly. A woman had two children in jail. &#8220;Rich steals cars and wrecks them. But Robert,&#8221; she says, pride swelling, &#8220;Robert has not wrecked even one!&#8221;<br />
This time, Robert, you wrecked it, you lost it, you lost it again, you stole it. You wrecked it. <br />
In baseball, STRIKE THREE and you are out. In your country, three doves or chickens together deliver some message to the home. <br />
What is the Shona phrase for &#8220;He&#8217;s finished,&#8221; delivered in Zvimba dialect or slang?<br />
What do people say when a relative has visited too long? <br />
When they want him out the door without burning the house down? <br />
What is the proverb for an old man who retires to his rural home, wishing to live out his last days in enjoyment around family, free from worry and responsibility? <br />
Zimbabwe needs to recover and move on from this geriatric spasm. Bob, we&#8217;re all afraid of growing old and mortality. Relax and you can live out your years to be buried in Heroes Acre as you wish. 
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217219','Miko'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217219','Miko','A short version of the list is&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nGIVE UP NOW\r\nHe has lost twice and is now saying he needs to lose 3 times in order to lose. This is poor argument for spending the election money and having violence when the outcome is clear. He used to beat people to prove he won. Now he beats them because he lost -- this is bizarre argument that even his friends can see is tortured logic.&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\n\&quot;A trillion dollars here, a trillion dollars there -- pretty soon it adds up to serious money.\&quot; Better he go now.&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nIf his veneer of authority can be stripped away, maybe he won\'t be able to get away with it. He is a piece of cardboard carton wearing spectacles.\r\nBut if you have to do it, ideal is go into such an election with everybody in Z knowing that&Acirc;&nbsp;Rigger Robber Double Loser Mugabe&Acirc;&nbsp;lost twice even though he did everything in his power to steal.&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nHe used to be good at stealing. Now he cannot even steal properly. A woman had two children in jail. \&quot;Rich steals cars and wrecks them. But Robert,\&quot; she says, pride swelling, \&quot;Robert has not wrecked even one!\&quot;\r\nThis time, Robert, you wrecked it, you lost it, you lost it again, you stole it. You wrecked it.&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nIn baseball, STRIKE THREE and you are out. In your country, three doves or chickens together deliver some message to the home.&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nWhat is the Shona phrase for \&quot;He\'s finished,\&quot; delivered in Zvimba dialect or slang?\r\nWhat do people say when a relative has visited too long?&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nWhen they want him out the door without burning the house down?&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nWhat is the proverb for an old man who retires to his rural home, wishing to live out his last days in enjoyment around family, free from worry and responsibility?&Acirc;&nbsp;\r\nZimbabwe needs to recover and move on from this geriatric spasm. Bob, we\'re all afraid of growing old and mortality. Relax and you can live out your years to be buried in Heroes Acre as you wish.&Acirc;&nbsp;'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Sokwanele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sokwanele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/937#comment-217168" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dave:&lt;/a&gt; Kind of you to offer. I think that solution depends how long the network stays up - phone calls now on our network are nearly impossible. It also depends on whether its even viable. A friend of mind visiting from overseas was unable to successfully send even one picture on his phone out the country while he was here.
&lt;p&gt;In the meanwhile, I received an email today saying money was needed to buy sutures and bandages for the injured, and I was also told that those who were made homeless needed blankets. It's getting cold here again. Money is always about priorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sok does not have money collecting facilities for human rights, but if you can find and identify a non partisan impartial fund for humanitarian help, it might be an idea to leave it in the comments here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hope&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217192','Sokwanele'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217192','Sokwanele','&#60;a href=\&#34;http:\/\/www.sokwanele.com\/thisiszimbabwe\/archives\/937#comment-217168\&#34; rel=\&#34;nofollow\&#34;&#62;Dave:&#60;\/a&#62; Kind of you to offer. I think that solution depends how long the network stays up - phone calls now on our network are nearly impossible. It also depends on whether its even viable. A friend of mind visiting from overseas was unable to successfully send even one picture on his phone out the country while he was here.\r\n&#60;p&#62;In the meanwhile, I received an email today saying money was needed to buy sutures and bandages for the injured, and I was also told that those who were made homeless needed blankets. It\'s getting cold here again. Money is always about priorities.&#60;\/p&#62;\r\n&#60;p&#62;Sok does not have money collecting facilities for human rights, but if you can find and identify a non partisan impartial fund for humanitarian help, it might be an idea to leave it in the comments here.&#60;\/p&#62;\r\n&#60;p&#62;Hope&#60;\/p&#62;'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/937#comment-217168" rel="nofollow">Dave:</a> Kind of you to offer. I think that solution depends how long the network stays up - phone calls now on our network are nearly impossible. It also depends on whether its even viable. A friend of mind visiting from overseas was unable to successfully send even one picture on his phone out the country while he was here.</p>
<p>In the meanwhile, I received an email today saying money was needed to buy sutures and bandages for the injured, and I was also told that those who were made homeless needed blankets. It&#8217;s getting cold here again. Money is always about priorities.</p>
<p>Sok does not have money collecting facilities for human rights, but if you can find and identify a non partisan impartial fund for humanitarian help, it might be an idea to leave it in the comments here.</p>
<p>Hope</p>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217192','Sokwanele'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> &#8212; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217192','Sokwanele','&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.sokwanele.com\/thisiszimbabwe\/archives\/937#comment-217168\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Dave:&lt;\/a&gt; Kind of you to offer. I think that solution depends how long the network stays up - phone calls now on our network are nearly impossible. It also depends on whether its even viable. A friend of mind visiting from overseas was unable to successfully send even one picture on his phone out the country while he was here.\r\n&lt;p&gt;In the meanwhile, I received an email today saying money was needed to buy sutures and bandages for the injured, and I was also told that those who were made homeless needed blankets. It\'s getting cold here again. Money is always about priorities.&lt;\/p&gt;\r\n&lt;p&gt;Sok does not have money collecting facilities for human rights, but if you can find and identify a non partisan impartial fund for humanitarian help, it might be an idea to leave it in the comments here.&lt;\/p&gt;\r\n&lt;p&gt;Hope&lt;\/p&gt;'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Diaspora-UK</title>
		<link>http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/937#comment-217177</link>
		<dc:creator>Diaspora-UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have a good list. zpf should feel shame that a list like this needs to be written. Even if one group thinks a list like this should be written and made public it is shaming. How many countrys in the world have demands like this made about their governments. I sick of zpf. They must go.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217177','Diaspora-UK'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217177','Diaspora-UK','They have a good list. zpf should feel shame that a list like this needs to be written. Even if one group thinks a list like this should be written and made public it is shaming. How many countrys in the world have demands like this made about their governments. I sick of zpf. They must go.'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have a good list. zpf should feel shame that a list like this needs to be written. Even if one group thinks a list like this should be written and made public it is shaming. How many countrys in the world have demands like this made about their governments. I sick of zpf. They must go.
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		<title>By: 4th Chimurenga</title>
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		<dc:creator>4th Chimurenga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;TODII? SENZENJANI? WHAT SHALL WE DO?&lt;/strong&gt;
Ini ndaneta manje. VaMugabe havamboteereri zvese zvatinotaura. Tingazvidini ko , kukura. Harahwa dzagara dzinenharo. Indoda le ilenkani impela. Ubokhosi ngama zolo kodwa ixhegu leli lifuna ukufela esikhundleni. Awu bakithi, senze njani. Umdala wasitshiyela udubo.Manje sesizo bulawa njalo njesikhathi se Gukurahundi....&lt;em&gt; Time will tell&lt;/em&gt;
 &lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217175','4th Chimurenga'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217175','4th Chimurenga','&#60;strong&#62;TODII? SENZENJANI? WHAT SHALL WE DO?&#60;\/strong&#62;\r\nIni ndaneta manje. VaMugabe havamboteereri zvese zvatinotaura. Tingazvidini ko , kukura. Harahwa dzagara dzinenharo. Indoda le ilenkani impela. Ubokhosi ngama zolo kodwa ixhegu leli lifuna ukufela esikhundleni. Awu bakithi, senze njani. Umdala wasitshiyela udubo.Manje sesizo bulawa njalo njesikhathi se Gukurahundi....&#60;em&#62; Time will tell&#60;\/em&#62;\r\n&#194;&#160;'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>TODII? SENZENJANI? WHAT SHALL WE DO?</strong><br />
Ini ndaneta manje. VaMugabe havamboteereri zvese zvatinotaura. Tingazvidini ko , kukura. Harahwa dzagara dzinenharo. Indoda le ilenkani impela. Ubokhosi ngama zolo kodwa ixhegu leli lifuna ukufela esikhundleni. Awu bakithi, senze njani. Umdala wasitshiyela udubo.Manje sesizo bulawa njalo njesikhathi se Gukurahundi&#8230;.<em> Time will tell</em><br />
 
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope...If you are as determined to monitor this election as you say.....then a fund to buy mobile web phones with cameras will be of extreme importance. Pix of violence, electoral intimidation and results can be transmitted outside Zim for collation and distribution to the media as it happens.
I will be happy to kick start it with $50 USD
 
Dave&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('217168','Dave'); return false;"&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt; --- &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('217168','Dave','Hope...If you are as determined to monitor this election as you say.....then a fund to buy mobile web phones with cameras will be of extreme importance. Pix of violence, electoral intimidation and results can be transmitted outside Zim for collation and distribution to the media as it happens.\r\nI will be happy to kick start it with $50 USD\r\n \r\nDave'); return false;"&gt;Quote from this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope&#8230;If you are as determined to monitor this election as you say&#8230;..then a fund to buy mobile web phones with cameras will be of extreme importance. Pix of violence, electoral intimidation and results can be transmitted outside Zim for collation and distribution to the media as it happens.<br />
I will be happy to kick start it with $50 USD</p>
<p>Dave
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