Comments on: Election Observers Under Attack in Mt Darwin East http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943 This is Zimbabwe is Sokwanele's pro-democracy activist blog. It provides grassroots news and views from Zimbabwe. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:03:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Tara http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-219203 Tara Thu, 08 May 2008 08:05:26 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-219203 @4th Chimurenga - this might help. Marches in solidarity with the people of Zimbabwe have been called for by COSATU.                           <a href="http://www.slunionisland.org/2008/05/sl-unionists-statement-on-zimbabwe/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slunionisland.org/2008/05/sl-unionists-statement-on-zimbabwe/</a> 'We call on all unionists to extend solidarity to the protests planned by COSATU for 17 May 2008.' [Everybody (outside Zimbabwe) can check to see if the unions (in other countries) will have protests in solidarity to this call by COSATU (South Africa) or forward them the message from the above site - what do you think?] <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('219203','Tara'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('219203','Tara','@4th Chimurenga - this might help.\r\n\r\nMarches in solidarity with the people of Zimbabwe have been called for by COSATU.\r\n                          \r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.slunionisland.org\/2008\/05\/sl-unionists-statement-on-zimbabwe\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.slunionisland.org\/2008\/05\/sl-unionists-statement-on-zimbabwe\/<\/a>\r\n\r\n\'We call on all unionists to extend solidarity to the protests planned by COSATU for 17 May 2008.\'\r\n\r\n&#91;Everybody (outside Zimbabwe) can check to see if the unions (in other countries) will have protests in solidarity to this call by COSATU (South Africa) or forward them the message from the above site - what do you think?&#93;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> @4th Chimurenga - this might help.

Marches in solidarity with the people of Zimbabwe have been called for by COSATU.
                         
http://www.slunionisland.org/2008/05/sl-unionists-statement-on-zimbabwe/

‘We call on all unionists to extend solidarity to the protests planned by COSATU for 17 May 2008.’

[Everybody (outside Zimbabwe) can check to see if the unions (in other countries) will have protests in solidarity to this call by COSATU (South Africa) or forward them the message from the above site - what do you think?]

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]]> By: exbulawayo http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-219183 exbulawayo Thu, 08 May 2008 06:53:19 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-219183 I agree, we need someone to come and see the urgency NOW.They need to experience the actual facts so they don't think this is all just overeacting.If we sit and wait for Mbeki and Mugabe to act, we are dreaming.They don't care and a serious situation is on the way if no one acts fast.It has opened my eyes as to what Mbeki stands for, could never have believed it, and an intelligent man at that !!!And as for uncle Bob, it is amazing how many excuses he can think up how to stay in power, even the British and other countries are blamed for his own mistakes !! it is laughable, but actually in reality very sad indeed.Africa has seen enough bloodshed, it is time to stand for love of humanity not war.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('219183','exbulawayo'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('219183','exbulawayo','I agree, we need someone to come and see the urgency NOW.They need to experience the actual facts so they don\'t think this is all just overeacting.If we sit and wait for Mbeki and Mugabe to act, we are dreaming.They don\'t care and a serious situation is on the way if no one acts fast.It has opened my eyes as to what Mbeki stands for, could never have believed it, and an intelligent man at that !!!And as for uncle Bob, it is amazing how many excuses he can think up how to stay in power, even the British and other countries are blamed for his own mistakes !! it is laughable, but actually in reality very sad indeed.Africa has seen enough bloodshed, it is time to stand for love of humanity not war.'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> I agree, we need someone to come and see the urgency NOW.They need to experience the actual facts so they don’t think this is all just overeacting.If we sit and wait for Mbeki and Mugabe to act, we are dreaming.They don’t care and a serious situation is on the way if no one acts fast.It has opened my eyes as to what Mbeki stands for, could never have believed it, and an intelligent man at that !!!And as for uncle Bob, it is amazing how many excuses he can think up how to stay in power, even the British and other countries are blamed for his own mistakes !! it is laughable, but actually in reality very sad indeed.Africa has seen enough bloodshed, it is time to stand for love of humanity not war.
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]]> By: CazB http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-218937 CazB Wed, 07 May 2008 19:52:32 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-218937 As with every other African country, I fear the the United Nations will only take action once a genocide has taken place. Only when most of the damage is done, will they overthrow Mbeki's recommendations of a "softly softly" approach & tell him to get stuffed.  I am not bad-mouthing them, I know that they cant just force their way into a country because the country is out of control. Can't we somehow get hold of the man who managed to live through the Rwandan genocide, (I cant remember his name -his character was played by Don Cheadle in Hotel Rwanda). He lives in Sweden or Germany now. In Rwanda, if the world had acted, instead of debating whether the situation was genocidal or not, they could have saved over 800 000 lives had they acted sooner. Maybe if we could get hold of him & ask him if he would help the Zimbabwean people. All we ask is that he help make the International Community aware of the situation in Zim, & remind the world that if something is not done soon, the situation could lead to a disaster. If he could just help make the world aware that it's not about presidents & countries, it's about people! Innocent people & children who don't care whether Mbeki thinks Africa can solve it's own problems & that everything is gonna be fine if we ask Mugabe & Zanu-pf nicely, to please stop being violent; who don't care to debate on whether it is ZANU-PF or MDC causing the violence etc. These are innocent men, woman & children who don't want to live in fear anymore, who don't want to see their husbands, wives or children murdered infront of them - a terrifying reality that they have to live through night & day. They just want it to end. We need to move the Unites Nations into to action - if a survivor from the Rwandan genocide could just move them to take a look for themselves, just go into Zim to observe & assess the situation, the needs of the Zimbabwean people will be clear. Just because Mugabe & Mbeki say everything is fine, there is no crisis does not mean that it's true. The veiws of presidents or leaders are not always the views of the people. I don't have the money or resources for a campaign & I wouldn't even know how to go about finding & contacting this man, but people from all over the world read this blog, there must be a way.  <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218937','CazB'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218937','CazB','As with every other African country, I fear the the United Nations will only take action once a genocide has taken place. Only when most of the damage is done, will they overthrow Mbeki\'s recommendations of a \"softly softly\" approach &amp; tell him to get stuffed.  I am not bad-mouthing them, I know that they cant just force their way into a country because the country is out of control.\r\nCan\'t we somehow get hold of the man who managed to live through the Rwandan genocide, (I cant remember his name -his character was played by Don Cheadle in Hotel Rwanda). He lives in Sweden or Germany now.\r\nIn Rwanda, if the world had acted, instead of debating whether the situation was genocidal or not, they could have saved over 800 000 lives had they acted sooner. Maybe if we could get hold of him &amp; ask him if he would help the Zimbabwean people. All we ask is that he help make the International Community aware of the situation in Zim, &amp; remind the world that if something is not done soon, the situation could lead to a disaster. If he could just help make the world aware that it\'s not about presidents &amp; countries, it\'s about people! Innocent people &amp; children who don\'t care whether Mbeki thinks Africa can solve it\'s own problems &amp; that everything is gonna be fine if we ask Mugabe &amp; Zanu-pf nicely, to please stop being violent; who don\'t care to debate on whether it is ZANU-PF or MDC causing the violence etc. These are innocent men, woman &amp; children who don\'t want to live in fear anymore, who don\'t want to see their husbands, wives or children murdered infront of them - a terrifying reality that they have to live through night &amp; day. They just want it to end.\r\nWe need to move the Unites Nations into to action - if a survivor from the Rwandan genocide could just move them to take a look for themselves, just go into Zim to observe &amp; assess the situation, the needs of the Zimbabwean people will be clear.\r\nJust because Mugabe &amp; Mbeki say everything is fine, there is no crisis does not mean that it\'s true. The veiws of presidents or leaders are not always the views of the people. \r\n\r\nI don\'t have the money or resources for a campaign &amp; I wouldn\'t even know how to go about finding &amp; contacting this man, but people from all over the world read this blog, there must be a way.  '); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> As with every other African country, I fear the the United Nations will only take action once a genocide has taken place. Only when most of the damage is done, will they overthrow Mbeki’s recommendations of a “softly softly” approach & tell him to get stuffed.  I am not bad-mouthing them, I know that they cant just force their way into a country because the country is out of control.
Can’t we somehow get hold of the man who managed to live through the Rwandan genocide, (I cant remember his name -his character was played by Don Cheadle in Hotel Rwanda). He lives in Sweden or Germany now.
In Rwanda, if the world had acted, instead of debating whether the situation was genocidal or not, they could have saved over 800 000 lives had they acted sooner. Maybe if we could get hold of him & ask him if he would help the Zimbabwean people. All we ask is that he help make the International Community aware of the situation in Zim, & remind the world that if something is not done soon, the situation could lead to a disaster. If he could just help make the world aware that it’s not about presidents & countries, it’s about people! Innocent people & children who don’t care whether Mbeki thinks Africa can solve it’s own problems & that everything is gonna be fine if we ask Mugabe & Zanu-pf nicely, to please stop being violent; who don’t care to debate on whether it is ZANU-PF or MDC causing the violence etc. These are innocent men, woman & children who don’t want to live in fear anymore, who don’t want to see their husbands, wives or children murdered infront of them - a terrifying reality that they have to live through night & day. They just want it to end.
We need to move the Unites Nations into to action - if a survivor from the Rwandan genocide could just move them to take a look for themselves, just go into Zim to observe & assess the situation, the needs of the Zimbabwean people will be clear.
Just because Mugabe & Mbeki say everything is fine, there is no crisis does not mean that it’s true. The veiws of presidents or leaders are not always the views of the people.

I don’t have the money or resources for a campaign & I wouldn’t even know how to go about finding & contacting this man, but people from all over the world read this blog, there must be a way.  

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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-218919 4th Chimurenga Wed, 07 May 2008 18:45:40 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-218919 <strong>Police Impotent</strong> The ZRP are highly partisan and ALL reports that we have on violence are said to have been reported to the police IN PERSON but no action was done. It can only make them aware that people are cognisant of their activities but they wont take any action. Remember ZANU & ZRP is one & the same thing<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218919','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218919','4th Chimurenga','<strong>Police Impotent<\/strong>\r\nThe ZRP are highly partisan and ALL reports that we have on violence are said to have been reported to the police IN PERSON but no action was done. It can only make them aware that people are cognisant of their activities but they wont take any action. Remember ZANU &amp; ZRP is one &amp; the same thing'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Police Impotent
The ZRP are highly partisan and ALL reports that we have on violence are said to have been reported to the police IN PERSON but no action was done. It can only make them aware that people are cognisant of their activities but they wont take any action. Remember ZANU & ZRP is one & the same thing
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]]> By: Sokwanele http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-218912 Sokwanele Wed, 07 May 2008 18:30:14 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-218912 <p>Scotchcart ... someone suggested today that we compiled a list of telephone numbers and addresses for all police stations in Zimbabwe - especially in main towns - to add to the database. This way when something kicks off we have the info at our finger tips. I think its a very good idea to plan ahead and gather what we MIGHT need in the future to try and anticpate what might come up.</p> <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218912','Sokwanele'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218912','Sokwanele','<p>Scotchcart ... someone suggested today that we compiled a list of telephone numbers and addresses for all police stations in Zimbabwe - especially in main towns - to add to the database. This way when something kicks off we have the info at our finger tips. I think its a very good idea to plan ahead and gather what we MIGHT need in the future to try and anticpate what might come up.<\/p>\r\n'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Scotchcart … someone suggested today that we compiled a list of telephone numbers and addresses for all police stations in Zimbabwe - especially in main towns - to add to the database. This way when something kicks off we have the info at our finger tips. I think its a very good idea to plan ahead and gather what we MIGHT need in the future to try and anticpate what might come up.

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]]> By: Tara http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-218911 Tara Wed, 07 May 2008 18:29:43 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-218911 <a href="http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=africa&item=080507170904.fnypnwjl.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=africa&item=080507170904.fnypnwjl.php</a> Zimbabwe run-off could take a year: observer chief Zimbabwe's top electoral official has told African lawmakers his country's presidential run-off could de delayed by up to a year, the head of a regional observer mission said Wednesday.' etc. [ It has been clear for some time that they will not do a run-off within weeks. I do not want to appear alarmist, but with the escalating violence and the doubt that it will be stopped, as it serves the interests of one group... I don't know. We need ideas on what action to take. I'm afraid that the reports do not contribute to any particular peacefulness in myself, but one could try. Perhaps it will help to remember that a calm head is needed for a good plan, whilst anger may lead to mistakes.] <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218911','Tara'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218911','Tara','<a href=\"http:\/\/www.africasia.com\/services\/news\/newsitem.php?area=africa&amp;item=080507170904.fnypnwjl.php\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.africasia.com\/services\/news\/newsitem.php?area=africa&amp;item=080507170904.fnypnwjl.php<\/a>\r\n\r\nZimbabwe run-off could take a year: observer chief\r\n\r\nZimbabwe\'s top electoral official has told African lawmakers his country\'s presidential run-off could de delayed by up to a year, the head of a regional observer mission said Wednesday.\' etc.\r\n&#91; It has been clear for some time that they will not do a run-off within weeks. I do not want to appear alarmist, but with the escalating violence and the doubt that it will be stopped, as it serves the interests of one group... I don\'t know. We need ideas on what action to take. I\'m afraid that the reports do not contribute to any particular peacefulness in myself, but one could try. Perhaps it will help to remember that a calm head is needed for a good plan, whilst anger may lead to mistakes.&#93;\r\n'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=africa&item=080507170904.fnypnwjl.php

Zimbabwe run-off could take a year: observer chief

Zimbabwe’s top electoral official has told African lawmakers his country’s presidential run-off could de delayed by up to a year, the head of a regional observer mission said Wednesday.’ etc.
[ It has been clear for some time that they will not do a run-off within weeks. I do not want to appear alarmist, but with the escalating violence and the doubt that it will be stopped, as it serves the interests of one group... I don't know. We need ideas on what action to take. I'm afraid that the reports do not contribute to any particular peacefulness in myself, but one could try. Perhaps it will help to remember that a calm head is needed for a good plan, whilst anger may lead to mistakes.]

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]]> By: 4th Chimurenga http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-218897 4th Chimurenga Wed, 07 May 2008 18:14:29 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-218897 <strong>Condemn Mbeki Campaign </strong> It's becoming increasingly difficult for people to protect themselves agaisnt the ZANU militia. Our only hope now lies in the hands of the United Nations. This can only be achieved by sacking the heartless Mbeki as the mediator and appointing somebody with the general people at heart. Lets plan some peaceful demonstrations to force Mbeki out of the Zimbabwean issue lest millions die soon. Anyone with known organisations who might support the initiative?????<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218897','4th Chimurenga'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218897','4th Chimurenga','<strong>Condemn Mbeki Campaign <\/strong>\r\nIt\'s becoming increasingly difficult for people to protect themselves agaisnt the ZANU militia. Our only hope now lies in the hands of the United Nations. This can only be achieved by sacking the heartless Mbeki as the mediator and appointing somebody with the general people at heart. Lets plan some peaceful demonstrations to force Mbeki out of the Zimbabwean issue lest millions die soon. Anyone with known organisations who might support the initiative?????'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Condemn Mbeki Campaign
It’s becoming increasingly difficult for people to protect themselves agaisnt the ZANU militia. Our only hope now lies in the hands of the United Nations. This can only be achieved by sacking the heartless Mbeki as the mediator and appointing somebody with the general people at heart. Lets plan some peaceful demonstrations to force Mbeki out of the Zimbabwean issue lest millions die soon. Anyone with known organisations who might support the initiative?????
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]]> By: scotchcart http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/943#comment-218896 scotchcart Wed, 07 May 2008 18:14:20 +0000 http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/?p=943#comment-218896 Is it possible to  suggest actions that we can take such as the campaign in Nyamandlovu?   Here is a <a href="http://www.itfglobal.org/press-area/index.cfm/pressdetail/1936" rel="nofollow">link</a> to the ITWF on the An Yue Jiang.  They say the weapons were not offloaded.  I am so tempted to text Matonga to ask him who is correct!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('218896','scotchcart'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> --- <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('218896','scotchcart','Is it possible to  suggest actions that we can take such as the campaign in Nyamandlovu?\r\n \r\nHere is a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.itfglobal.org\/press-area\/index.cfm\/pressdetail\/1936\" rel=\"nofollow\">link<\/a> to the ITWF on the An Yue Jiang.  They say the weapons were not offloaded.  I am so tempted to text Matonga to ask him who is correct!!'); return false;">Quote from this comment</a></div> Is it possible to  suggest actions that we can take such as the campaign in Nyamandlovu?
 
Here is a link to the ITWF on the An Yue Jiang.  They say the weapons were not offloaded.  I am so tempted to text Matonga to ask him who is correct!!
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