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I am not sure our postings here reflect the true extent to which we want to communicate our positions on the crisis in Zimbabwe.I am perfectly willing to engage you in a less casual debate on the point you raise which suggests the whole Western policy on Zimbabwe is informed by lopsided capitalist interests. Would you say the grumblings at the AU and the UN are also symptomatic of that capitalist malaise? In addition I do not see the Zimbabwean crisis as an elitist power struggle and neither do I see any more underlying factor other than that of a failed regime that is sacrificing a once mighty nation on the alter of political expediency ( that was the whole point of the 2000 land invasion). I see a people struggling to free themselves from a regime that has abdicated its responsibility towards them.Please let me know if you are up to so I give you my private email for a long chat on this.

Why the automatic presumption about arming people??? Sorry if you feel unsure about what types of intervention exist ASK. If the issue is beyond that please remember that we are talking of non-violence…so are those thoughts mine seeing as the idea of WW2 and parachutes came from you.

Its strange that you mention a retrograde step then admit a power struggle exists..(what does that mean exactly). Its commonsense Zanu PF never created the power struggle…who was there for them to struggle against?? The land invasions had no resistance …the only opposition before 1999 was ZUM…so where did the power struggle come from???
Do you really think that the same powerful people attacking ZANU now said a peep at the time 20,000 people were killed during Gukurahundi???

They never uttered a word…

Now its a case of their financial interests being threatened Mugabe is the same devil as Saddam, or Chavez in Venezuela…Recently before the election £2billion in reconstruction money was touted…why is that money go to Zimbabwe only when MDC is in power? with so many Zimbabweans destitute??? unless its an incentive to incite trouble.

Sorry True Grit…as much as I dislike the situation AND am accused of a violent disposition against the regime…it doesnt make me blind to the facts…MDC and some civic groups are paid for by outside sponsors.ie AUS, USA DoS…in short at certain levels they REALLY are surrogates for a policy of regime change.(why do you think after 10 years MDC has no post 29 March election plan B beyond the RUN-OFF stage set by ZANU PF???)..telling half the story wont change the truth it will only hurt ordinary people.

The intervention and deterrence that you advocate can really only be interpreted as one thing: Put a gun in the hands of every teenage and adult citizen so that they can defend themselves. But the question is: How do you achieve this? Do you drop them by plane at night, like in the WW2 in France? Anyhow, this would be a retrograde step for civilization and democracy. It is not easy to stop a full-scale bloodbath as other countries have shown.

It’s a power struggle, yes. But its a struggle not of the MDC’s instigation, but one created by an illegal regime which have bedded themselves in without any regard for the suffering and destruction of their country and people. There is no hidden agenda behind the MDC, only a strong political will to succeed, and a moral obligation to win, and not to lose yet again.

1) The comment I left was based upon two previous posts that were censored…Where I stated that the end of the crisis would involve ideas that contradict the liberal ideal of Zimbabwe being sorted out by the same failed ideas. The issue of the attack on the young woman was presented for comment…Why the censorship???

2)As stated the issue of Zimbabwe is not the simplistic, EVIL GOVERNMENT versus VIRTUOUS OPPOSITION…that is being presented. Not all within ZANU agree with whats going on so why present the story in a way that hightens a feeling of antagonism?

Had some people more integrity then the whole story would be told from the perspective of both sides…there are bigger issues going on underneath the surface and ordinary people are being used as cannon fodders by both sides.

Research COLOUR REVOLUTIONS…The point is if some want to be rid of ZANU then get rid of them stop pretending that its all about human rights and the love of Zimbabwean people when the real winners will be the IMF, CFR and other neo-liberals.If people feel that the highlighting of death and injury works…WHERE DOES IT WORK???

3)NO ONE advocates war…it has never been mentioned by me, although now the situation is such that war is almost inevitable…to deny this is the excersise in futility.

I advocate INTERVENTION and DETERRENCE…the point I make is that ALL trying to remove ZANU PF should be honest about their true natures and intention rather than hiding behind defenceless people…You cant start a war with killers then say you are peaceful… Or is helping the economy fall apart so the public in Zimbabwe revolts a peaceful act…(dont believe me..research what Chester Crocker said in 2001.

From some cynical powers and their surrogates set out to oust ZANU PF by the back door I say NO be adults about it..its a power struggle…stop acting like no one does any research. Get rid of them and stop using peoples suffering as a cover.

I will be str8…Its amazing the way people here love to go around in circles…ALL admit elections wont see a hand over of power…ALL admit SADC,UN etc does next to nothing…BURMA, DARFUR, PALESTINE, TIBET etc Then ALL conclude the solution is elections and appealing to SADC, UN etc…

No…the solution is actually a mix of outside pressure and internal confrontation…sic Bosnia 1994.

The truth isnt meant to be told…that Zimbabwe is in the midst of a failing COLOUR revolution project. (The ruling party does what it does because it can hide its corruption behind a justifiable ‘defence of the nation’ alibi…it can do this because the opposition are less than honest about who really pulls their strings)…

Due to the nature of the regime change operation…most significant sponsorship goes to the civic groups / political parties …already favoured by the architects of the faltering plan.

The term ‘people power’ was highlighted here several times over…supposedly  to mean writing the same ‘SOMEONE MUST DO SOMETHING’ emails and forming the same ’SOMEONE MUST DO SOMETHING’ petitions and sending them to third parties in order for these to exert some nebulous influence on the regime to cede power to the MDC. …Sorry – NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

What no one has yet done is organise for people that are willing to go and intervene. If you cant be a body then you can provide funds or resources.
Out of 4 million + Zimbabweans outside Zimbabwe…MANY would go back and intervene to stop the killings…by presenting a deterrence factor to the killers… but they lack the well-funded cental core to sustain such operations…ALSO …The organisation of such action is real people power that threatens both the regime…AND the architects of the COLOUR revolution and their various NGO/ CIVIL SOCIETY surrogates.

As stated…ITS A CONTRADICTION to one minute say the people have power to make change happen …then the next minute telling how powerless people in and outside Zimbabwe are to actually effect change and do anything.

The issue is past the highlighting or finger pointing stage…The end result of ALL present efforts fails and falls short because it involves an attitude that seeks to do all things but confront the evil directly. The killings have begun so what consequences are feared?????

What point is there to retell the tale to the same do nothing hand wringing outsiders when some Zimbabweans are all to willing to do…but lack the resources. 

The Zimbabwe issue is 10 years old…it exists the international community knows about it..the more time people waste in the same  vacant discussions about actions that SADC..UN…USA ..AU should do but wont do…dismisses the very notion of the people power that so many proclaim to promote.

People claim to hate what is taking place??? Then best they discuss how to put their money where their mouths are and organise how the issue should be stopped instead of contradicting themselves one minute saying the people have power to make change happen …then the next minute telling how powerless people are to actually effect change and do anything.

Such demands would be accompanied by an explicit threat forceful pressure ( overt and covert) should Mugabe fail to comply. Witness Chinamasa’s recent whining that sanctions must be removed. Its hurting them and I believe that’s where we must apply more pressure; close them off on the world stage and let’s see what happens- Simply put knowing where it hurts ZANU most might ultimately do the trick- sorry to say I am not convinced the ballot box is the right place.
One last thing, I have no truck with people who beat on defenseless women and children and if this is their idea of defending the revolution then heaven forbid- these a lily-livered cowards to boot!!!!

In years gone by, when Bob’s rigging worked better, the counting practically happened overnight.  Now, when his ability to rig is waning, so too is the basic ability to count!

Coincidence – I think not.  If that is not blatant proof of what is really happening, my bum’s a biscuit.

The Zim Constitution requires 2/3rds of Parliament to change and amend the Constitution itself. I believe it would require a similar majority to remove, or bring in a measure of no confidence in, Mugabe. That is, of course, by democratic means. It has been estimated that, as the now ruling MDC and others have 110 seats, they would require only about 30 Zanu-PF MPs to acquire the 67% needed. This may not be such an insurmountable problem, as it only requires just over a third of the Zanu sitting members to be persuaded that life would be better for them and/or their constituents (depending on how selfish they are) if they were to vote for change.

As far as ‘intervention’ is concerned, it is very difficult for a country like Britain or America to intervene militarily without either a perceived world threat, or a threat to themselves. It is certainly difficult for Britain alone, considering their colonial past, and America, in the throes of an election year, cannot police every corner of the globe. It’s ironic that Mugabe will take American money for food aid etc., but will not allow Americans in to observe an election process. I personally think that if the African Union countries are to mean anything as an organization of countries coming together, and standing together, they should be the ones to consider intervening for all sorts of reasons, and not only those favouring Zimbabwe alone.

I am not sure what other options there are for the MDC and Zimbabweans in general. The whole system is being stage managed by Mugabe as even with a runoff there is no gurantee he will reliquish power graciously. Not participating would hand him the presidency on a silver platter. The current violence  is meant to ensure ZANU PF stays in power…either through a scared electorate come the runoff day or as you say an outright refusal to partcipate in the depacle. If Mugabe possesed an iota of morality then boycotting the runoff might have the desired effect but we are dealing with a maglomaniac who you have to fight on their terms. By participating at least the people of Zimbabwe have a symbolic avenue to fight this evil. I also despair at what other options are available. I personally think this is the best we can do under the circumstances. God save our country.

For a very long time…the bleeding heart liberal brigade has chosen to dismiss the reality that the policy of soliciting the support from an uncaring and split International Community is nothing more than a self serving, conscience salving circus.

So long as a bystanders philosophy of NON INTERVENTION and the liberal promoting of Zimbabwean helplessness exists nothing will change. 

Using the battered and dead bodies of Zimbabweans as some beacon of morality and principal in the face of state sponsored terrorism and violence, shows a gross lack of care and a lack of commonsense .

It is ironic that many would not seek to use the solutions they promote were it their own nations in trouble…. To date not one single international issue has been resolved using the methods they uphold.

People claim their strategy of not having boots on the ground is successful basing their assessments on false hope, over optimism and unsubstantiated myths of the regimes impending demise yet unless there is INTERVENTION there is only half the work done.

Please note that the opposition isn’t MDC anymore since they now control parliament. ZANU-PF is now the opposition party